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===== Agenda ===== | ===== Agenda ===== | ||
- | - Administration | + | |
- | - Architecture | + | - Architecture |
- | - Vision | + | - Vision |
- | - Statutes | + | - Statutes |
- | - Aarau / measurement scenarios | + | - Aarau / measurement scenarios |
- | - Proposed draft statutes from Jack Allnutt | + | - Proposed draft statutes from Jack Allnutt |
- | - Miscellanea | + | - Miscellanea |
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== Elect chairman == | == Elect chairman == | ||
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== Approve last meeting' | == Approve last meeting' | ||
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== Approve today' | == Approve today' | ||
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| 1.1 Party-Only model|https:// | | 1.1 Party-Only model|https:// | ||
| 1.2 Hybrid Model | https:// | | 1.2 Hybrid Model | https:// | ||
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| 1.3. Individual membership (Permanent Assembly) | https:// | | 1.3. Individual membership (Permanent Assembly) | https:// | ||
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^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^ | ^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^ | ||
- | | statutes topics| We will collect items in the list below that the later statutes may / should cover.| | |R | | + | | statutes topics| We will collect items in the list below that the later statutes may / should cover.| | | R | |
- | |Topics |Moved the collected topics with Aarau topics to https:// | + | |Topics |Moved the collected topics with Aarau topics to https:// |
===== Aarau / Measurement scenarios | ===== Aarau / Measurement scenarios | ||
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^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^ | ^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^ | ||
|Minutes|http:// | |Minutes|http:// | ||
- | |Personal report|http:// | + | |Personal report|http:// |
- | |short report | | Julia | | I | | + | |short report | | Julia | | | |
- | |Topics |PPEU either as association of individual parties + MEP, but without its own programme, or as actual party + MEP with own programme | julia | | I | | + | |Topics |PPEU either as association of individual parties + MEP, but without its own programme, or as actual party + MEP with own programme | julia | | | |
- | === Discussion | + | === Discussion === |
In Aarau it was proposed to establish an automatic kill switch (AKS) to self destruct when EU election regulations change, and "at all costs" | In Aarau it was proposed to establish an automatic kill switch (AKS) to self destruct when EU election regulations change, and "at all costs" | ||
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| | Declaration of intent in the statutes to work towards individual membership and Pan-European elections. | luna | | | | | | Declaration of intent in the statutes to work towards individual membership and Pan-European elections. | luna | | | | ||
| |actions for a scenario too far in the future with unknown circumstances should not be decided now | azrael | | | | | |actions for a scenario too far in the future with unknown circumstances should not be decided now | azrael | | | | ||
+ | | |let "our children" | ||
| | rather have pirates unanimously undo the kill switch | julia | | | | | | rather have pirates unanimously undo the kill switch | julia | | | | ||
| | safety against too much bureaucracy/ | | | safety against too much bureaucracy/ | ||
| | what if the regulations are changed in a bad way (e.g. paneuro elections for already established parties - why kill our only chance by automation)? | | | what if the regulations are changed in a bad way (e.g. paneuro elections for already established parties - why kill our only chance by automation)? | ||
- | | |have " | + | | |have " |
- | | |AKS not required at this stage | | |R | | + | | | AKS is not the only way to solve the problem that it addresses. Not necessarily |
| Voting systems| greens have weighted voting system according to their strengths in countries / MEPs |M2Ys4U | | | | | | Voting systems| greens have weighted voting system according to their strengths in countries / MEPs |M2Ys4U | | | | | ||
| |suggestion: | | |suggestion: | ||
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| |How to decide the vote is dependent on the tasks of the organisation. If the organisation is only coordinating, | | |How to decide the vote is dependent on the tasks of the organisation. If the organisation is only coordinating, | ||
| |How to decide the vote is dependent of what to vote about. If the organisation is only coordinating, | | |How to decide the vote is dependent of what to vote about. If the organisation is only coordinating, | ||
- | | |fair, equal system or incentives for election results? |mab | | | | + | | |fair, equal system or incentives for election results? | mab | | | |
| Founding & seat| national law may influence restrictions on statutes| Jerry (?), Luna, Sven(?)| |T | | | Founding & seat| national law may influence restrictions on statutes| Jerry (?), Luna, Sven(?)| |T | | ||
- | | |find outsider lawyer for consulting | |m2ys4u | | | + | | |find outsider lawyer for consulting | | m2ys4u | | |
| | process: first outline the statutes, then check for suitable countries and check details |krishna | | | | | | process: first outline the statutes, then check for suitable countries and check details |krishna | | | | ||
- | | | the first and next step is to decide about goals / vision | | |R | | + | | | the first and next step is to decide about goals / vision | | | R | |
| Live meetings|financial support for foreign parties? Discuss via ML |ACT | | T| | | Live meetings|financial support for foreign parties? Discuss via ML |ACT | | T| | ||
| |Election and PPEU can be dealt with seprately. No need for hastiness. |mab | | | | | |Election and PPEU can be dealt with seprately. No need for hastiness. |mab | | | | ||
| |High media effect would be best for a just-in-time founding before the elections | | | | | | |High media effect would be best for a just-in-time founding before the elections | | | | | ||
- | | | meetings every two months, not sooner| | |R | | + | | | meetings every two months, not sooner| | | R | |
- | | |no info about Strassbourg dates | krishna| |I | | + | | |no info about Strassbourg dates | krishna| | | |
- | | | skip the august meeting| | |R | | + | | | skip the august meeting| | | R | |
| |Prague decl. approval postponed from last week's board meeting by the Swedish PP. After the Barcelona meeting there is no other board meeting before the national assembly of Swedish PP in November (only way would be to prepone the Sept. meeting. | mad | | | | | |Prague decl. approval postponed from last week's board meeting by the Swedish PP. After the Barcelona meeting there is no other board meeting before the national assembly of Swedish PP in November (only way would be to prepone the Sept. meeting. | mad | | | | ||
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===== Proposed draft statutes from Jack Allnutt ===== | ===== Proposed draft statutes from Jack Allnutt ===== | ||
- | * Proposal here: http:// | + | * [[http:// |
- | * E-mail to mailing list: http:// | + | * ML was notified: http:// |
^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^ | ^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^ | ||
- | | |individual participation missing |? | | | | + | | | structural input from Krishna useful | Jack | | | |
- | | maybe do not artificially limit ourselves to conditions made by others (e.g. EU competences). If we do that it is difficult to create change. | krishna| | | | | + | | | individual participation missing |? | | | |
+ | | | maybe do not artificially limit ourselves to conditions made by others (e.g. EU competences). If we do that it is difficult to create change. | krishna| | ||
+ | | | "good job", many bullets points useful, no major objections so far | | | | | ||
+ | | |more than one statutes variant should be created to allow actual voting by the parties' | ||
===== Miscellanea ===== | ===== Miscellanea ===== | ||
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Status: plank=not started / late, silver coin=progressing in time, golden eye patch patch=done | Status: plank=not started / late, silver coin=progressing in time, golden eye patch patch=done |
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