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--- euroliquid [2012/08/17 12:09] – lynx
+++ euroliquid [2020/12/08 15:40] – [Euroliquid] bastian
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 ====== Euroliquid ======
-one mind, one heart, one soul.  –Robotica
+one mind, one heart, one soul.
 ===== the working group =====
-The meeting on 2012-05-17 initiated the planning and forming of a European Liquid Feedback instance to develop a //best common denominator// of Pirate policies rather than the //least common denominator// which is inherent to the current representative approach.
+There is since 2012 the planning and forming of a European Liquid Feedback instance to develop a //best common denominator// of Pirate policies rather than the //least common denominator// which is inherent to the current representative approach.
 If you are interested in participating in this working group here are more details:
 ^ Wiki            | http://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?id=euroliquid |
-^ Mailing list    | [[pp-eu.euroliquid@lists.pp-international.net|pp-eu.euroliquid@lists.pp-international.net]] |
+^ Mailing list    | [https://lists.european-pirateparty.eu/wws/info/pp-eu.euroliquid | PP-EU Euroliquid]
-^ ML registration | http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu.euroliquid |
+^ ML registration | pp-eu.euroliquid@lists.european-pirateparty.eu
 ===== current state =====
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 The Italian PP has developed a Bootstrap Proposal as provided below which allows to use it to shape its own future configuration from inside. This plan has been approved by the Permanent General Assembly of the PP-IT, which is itself implemented in a Liquid Feedback instance.
-A survey in the German national LQFB has produced [[https://lqfb.piratenpartei.de/lf/initiative/show/3965.html|large support for the development and deployment of a euroliquid]].
 ===== Bootstrap Proposal =====
 Long term set-up principles:
-  * For transparency, the euroliquid is publicly viewable  including  who voted how.
+  * For transparency, the Euroliquid is publicly viewable  including  who voted how.
-  *  Participants are politicians thus bound to transparency. Their realnames and affiliations are displayed in their public profiles. Further data is optional.
+  * Participants are politicians thus bound to transparency. Their real names and affiliations are displayed in their public profiles. Further data is optional.
   *  The database shall be downloadable in its entirety so anyone can set up a mirror of it.
   *  Should the European Pirates be doubtful of the Italian administration, they can decide to migrate the platform elsewhere without depending on Italian consent.
-The euroliquid bootstrap is a sort of "Constituate Assembly" for the actual euroliquid within a liquid feedback installation itself. It is designed to debate on how it should operate, starting from the current legal status quo. Strategy for bootstrapping euroliquid:
+The Euroliquid bootstrap is a sort of "Constituate Assembly" for the actual Eeuroliquid within a liquid feedback installation itself. It is designed to debate on how it should operate, starting from the current legal status quo. Strategy for bootstrapping Euroliquid:
-  * We only create one area called "euroliquid administration."
+  * We only create one area called "Euroliquid administration."
-  * We only admit one delegate per partipating EU country to start with, so you have to coordinate among each other what your vote should be. You can use your own liquid feedback to find your party's bootstrap opinions... (hint, hint ;))
+  * We only admit one delegate per participating EU country to start with, so you have to coordinate among each other what your vote should be. You can use your own liquid feedback to find your party's bootstrap opinions... (hint, hint ;))
   * We only create one voting-policy which is 100%-majority also known as consensus.
   * To even start the debate, the quorum is at 50/100 - so the majority of participants needs to agree that something needs to be debated.
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   * How to handle participation of non-EU members.
   * How to handle multi-ethnic/politically split countries.
-  * Certification and administration procedures for slowly growing the number of participants: What does a Pirate Party have to do to submit people to the euroliquid?
+  * Certification and administration procedures for slowly growing the number of participants: What does a Pirate Party have to do to submit people to the Euroliquid?
   * Suitable "no protection" declaration of all data being available/public.
-  * Develop the policies for long-term euroliquid discussion areas: debate on statute amendments and programmatic themes.
+  * Develop the policies for long-term Euroliquid discussion areas: debate on statute amendments and programmatic themes.
   * Consider long haul policies for longer debates and majority vote options.
-The euroliquid bootstrap process may appear a bit strange at first, but the short term goal is to have several delegates per country, the mid term goal is to have hundreds of Pirates (and large-majority-based decision making) and the long term goal is to one day be able to host all Pirates that are willing to take on the responsability of being a European politician.
+The Euroliquid bootstrap process may appear a bit strange at first, but the short term goal is to have several delegates per country, the mid term goal is to have hundreds of Pirates (and large-majority-based decision making) and the long term goal is to one day be able to host all Pirates that are willing to take on the responsability of being a European politician.
 To achieve that we will have to wait for newer versions of the software that allow for weighted voting of participants. Until then we do the weighting by a counted number of participants. We can slowly grow the system into the hundreds of Pirate participants per country and still be weighted by a fair formula that respects big and small countries - and we can decide together when and how to do this. The speed at which we move there depends on the priority all the parties give to it and provide for accreditations of further participants.
-==== Further Steps ====
+== Possible Further Steps ==
 The lynX' vision of things is documented on http://my.pages.de/euroliquid whereas Robotica's approach follows:
-== Preamble ==
+===== Euroliquid Model =====
+==== Preamble ====
 This is the summary of many brainstormings held in physical and virtual meetings. This is a "model in progress". :)
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 or just join!  :)
-== Who ==
+=== Who ===
 Mainly are involved the Pirate Parties of Europe and particularly EU;
 the invitation is to all the world wide Pirate Parties because in the Euroliquid platform the non-eu countries have a voice in EU foreign policy.
-The partecipation is open, in Euroliquid are welcome
+The partecipation is open, in Euroliquid are welcome all the pirates interested in this project.
-all the pirates interested in this project.
-== When ==
+=== When ===
 The project just began, we must be ready for EU elections of 2014.
 The Euroliquid group is open to anyone who is interested in contributing to the foundation of a Pirate Party at european level.
-== What ==
+=== What ===
 Euroliquid!
 A common platform for the Pirate Parties to discuss and decide through direct democracy about the european policy and make a common strategy, for the european union and pan-european countries.
-== Why ==
+=== Why ===
 We believe that the key of the success of the Pirate Party is not only the cool word "Pirate", but the open philosophy and the partecipating decisional process.
-== Where ==
+=== Where ===
 ^ Permanent Assembly  | 24/7 |
-^ Location        | http://euroliquid.partitopirata.net/ (work in progress) |
+^ Location        | http://lqfb.euroliquid.org/ |
-== LiquidFeedback ==
+=== LiquidFeedback ===
 Euroliquid guidelines are not necessarily based on LiquidFeedback.
 LiquidFeedback at the moment is the most complete tool we can dispose and fits our needings. If in the future will arrive a better one we can adopt it.
-=== Euroliquid Organization ===
+==== Organization ====
-== Focal points: ==
+=== Focal points: ===
   - Allow to pirates to interact directly
   - Balance the representative capacity of bigger parties giving voice to the smaller ones.
-== Principles: ==
+==== Principles: ====
   - Inclusivity
   - partecipated democracy
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 === Debate ===
-The two chamber model that follows below has been developed by Robotica. It is being discussed as the legitimacy of a first-come-first-served chamber isn't very clear. We can debate this better in the bootstrap euroliquid, however, as it models the probabilities of acceptance.
+The two chamber model that follows below has been developed to work around the weight assignment to each country /party individuals .
+We can debate this better in the bootstrap euroliquid, however, as any other issue of this model.
-== Structure ==
+==== Structure ====
 Most important for an healthy structure is the capacity to balance the legitimate representativeness of bigger parties and at the same time to give a voice to the smaller ones.
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-== Member Weights ==
+==== Member Weights ====
 Member weights is the most delicate argument of PP-EU model.
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 the best way to assign weights is according to the **Square root of voters**.
-= Formula =
+== Formula ==
 {{:squareroot.gif?100|}} **X** is the number of voters of each Country / Party.
-= Reasons =
+== Reasons ==
   * It's easy! Only one parameter.
   * No exception, no complicated rules to remember, easy to understand it.
   * Reach the goal: balance representativeness of bigger members and give a voice to the smaller ones.
-  * Alredy used for seats distribution of European Parliament ([[euroliquid:EU_seats|take a look here]])
+  * Alredy used for seats distribution of European Parliament ([[euroliquid:EU_seats|degressive proportionality]])
   * Has strong [[euroliquid:basis|theoretical basis]]
 \\
-= Confederations =
+== Confederations ==
 What happens when 2 or more regional Pirate Parties of the __same country__  confederates and concur toghether to european elections?
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-== Subscription and Certification ==
+==== Subscription and Certification ====
 Euroliquid platform has to be as much reliable as possible on representativeness of the Pirates.
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 To avoid fakes and multiple subscriptions will be taken some precautions, for both chambers, particularly for the chamber of representers that is the decisional unit.
-= Chamber of Representers subscription =
+== Chamber of Representers subscription ==
 Each party member will receive a number of tokens according to the
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-= Chamber of Pirates subscription =
+== Chamber of Pirates subscription ==
 Each Pirate can partecipate in Euroliquid platform. The only requirement is to be associate to a Pirate Party Member.
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 Almost anonymous means that the representers have the autority to ask informations about any pirate to their secretariat to verify if it is real.
+==== Chamber of Representers Units ====
+LiquidFeedback can be organized in directory tree to allow selective partecipation voting to the core EU members, to European envolved menbers till the observers depending on the scope of the votation.
+== Units ==
+  * Members
+    * EU Members
+    * EFTA Members
+    * Acceding EU Members
+  * Observers (Europe)
+  * Observers (non Europe)
+==== Chamber of Pirates Units ====
+The chamber of pirates allows to any individual pirate to propose and debeate inside each country /party unit about any issue regarding PP-EU:  the program, the rules and any kind of decision.
+The results of those issues must be proposed by their representers to the Chamber of Representers in order to be ratified according to the weights of each party member.
+== Units ==
+  * EU Pirates
+    * Germany
+    * France
+    * United Kingdom
+    * Italy
+    * Spain
+    * Catalunya
+    * Poland
+    * Romania
+    * Netherlands
+    * Belgium
+    * Czech Republic
+    * Greece
+    * Hungary
+    * Portugal
+    * Sweden
+    * Austria
+    * Bulgaria
+    * Finland
+    * Denmark
+    * Slovakia
+    * Ireland
+    * Lithuania
+    * Latvia
+    * Slovenia
+    * Cyprus
+    * Estonia
+    * Luxembourg
+    * Malta
+  * EFTA Pirates
+    * Iceland
+    * Liechtenstein
+    * Norway
+    * Switzerland
+  * Acceding EU Pirates
+    * Croatia
+    * ...
+  * Candidates for EU Pirates
+    * ...
+  * Other European Pirates
+    *  ...
+  * Worldwide Pirates
+    *  ...
+===== Policy Poll =====
+by Nuno Cardoso
+Just to make it clearer, there is  single spreadsheet with several sheets.
+Right now there are these sheets:
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=10 | Default Policy for Standard Proceeding]]
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=11 | Policy for Fast Proceeding]]
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=12 | Policy for Extensive Proceeding]]
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=13 | Policy for Statute Amendments]]
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=14 | Policy for Member Acceptance]]
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=15 | Policy for Member Expulsion]]
+Here is a template that you can copy to poll for new specific policies that really need their own rules and don't fall under the generic proceedings (Standard, Fast or Extensive), or for even more generic proceedings.
+  * [[https://docs.google.com/a/pp-international.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9AFwhEPqTedGFXQkRYVVdYeGJuRWdvNXdNUi1GZnc#gid=3 | Template Policy for ...]]
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 (to be continued)