====== PPEU.Statutes meeting minutes ======

  Location:  mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de:64738  
  Channel:   International -> PPEU
  Schedule:  21.08.2012   21:30 CEST
  Minutes:   XX / Everyone
  Chairman:  Krishna
  Start:     21:45 CEST
  End:       22:55 CEST
  Approved:  Yes
[[https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-stt-protocol-20120821 |This meet]]
[[https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-stt-protocol-20120830 |Next meet]]

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===== Agenda =====
  - Administration
  - Architecture 
  - Vision
  - Statutes
  - Your topic
  - Miscellanea

===== Administration =====
== Participants: ==
  - [[ martin.tibensky@piratskastrana.sk | Martin Tibensky]] (PP-SK)
  - [[ ningunotro@hotmail.com | Antonio García ]] (PP-ES)
  - [[ krishna@ppeu.net | krishna ]] (PP-DE)
  - [[ muriel@pirata.cat | Muriel ]] (PP-CAT)

== Elect Keeper of the minutes ==
 Candidates: Everyone

== Elect chairman ==
 Candidates: Krishna

== Approve last meeting's protocol ==
 [[ http://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?id=statutes:minutes:minutes20120814 | Minutes ]] \\
 Comments (who):
 
  * most of the administrative things can be executed online, so we can spend most of the presence meetings on goals. (martin)
  * a 30% / 70% is one suggestion, but should be a soft threshold. (krishna)
  * we should consider what can we do using online environment only (mumble, lqfb,..., board elections, if legal) and concentrate to isolate the rest of the areas to personal meetings (martin)

== Approve today's agenda ==
 Comments (who):approved

== Previous ToDos  ==

Omitted

===== Architecture =====

No news

===== Statutes =====
[[https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-statutes-draft|Draft statutes]]\\
See Jack Allnut's [[http://piratenpad.de/p/PPEU-Statutes-Allnutt|proposal]]


 * Krishna is trying to prepare a labelled version of the statutes and related information in the wiki pages
 * Martin argues that party dismissal of a sole pirate party of EU member country should not be possible at all, to prevent PP-EU 2.0 to spring up.
  * assume a country joins EU newly, shouldn't that member have the right to join PPEU? Maybe they should join without a vote. Assume that PP-X joins first and would then always block the consensus of addmission of PP-Y ?
 
=== Todo for Martin: ===
  * work out the detailed pro and cons for this (and other variants) as base of decision
  * This is also to practise the future procedures of howto get fast and effective discussions and decision making
== Example ==

**Vote by consensus:**
  * pro: 
    * opinion and agreement of existing members is explicitly asked
    * ...
  * con: 
    * one party could block an "unwanted" party alone
    * ...

** Vote by simple majority:**
  * pro:
    * easy access
    * ...
  * con:
    * may become casual to join and leave
    * ... 

** Admission without vote;**
  * pro:
    * ...
  * con:
    * ...


===== Miscellanea =====
none

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Type: I=Information, T=Todo, R=Resolution\\
Status: plank=not started/late, silver coin=in time, golden eye patch patch=done