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| - | PPEU 8th Council Meeting | + | PPEU 8th Council Meeting\\ |
| - | June 5th, 2021 | + | June 5th, 2021\\ |
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| - | https:// | + | https:// |
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| - | List of International delegates.: | + | List of International delegates.:\\ |
| - | Wiki | + | Wiki \\ |
| - | https:// | + | https:// |
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| - | - Veronika Murzynová (PP-CZ) - ordinary member | + | - Veronika Murzynová (PP-CZ) - ordinary member\\ |
| - | - Carlota Jover (PP-CAT)- ordinary member | + | - Carlota Jover (PP-CAT)- ordinary member\\ |
| - | - Sven Clement (PP-LU) - ordinary member | + | - Sven Clement (PP-LU) - ordinary member\\ |
| - | - Thomas Gaul (Piraten Potsdam) - observer member | + | - Thomas Gaul (Piraten Potsdam) - observer member\\ |
| - | - Francesco Macchia (Pirati) - observer member | + | - Francesco Macchia (Pirati) - observer member\\ |
| - | - William Thanoothong Svendsen (PP-NO) - ordinary member | + | - William Thanoothong Svendsen (PP-NO) - ordinary member\\ |
| - | - Matti Brandt, Henrik Passmark (PP-SE and PP-IS) - ordinary member | + | - Matti Brandt, Henrik Passmark (PP-SE and PP-IS) - ordinary member\\ |
| - | - PeterTheOne, | + | - PeterTheOne, |
| - | - Matěj Bělohoubek (YPE) - ordinary member | + | - Matěj Bělohoubek (YPE) - ordinary member\\ |
| - | - Jens Stomber, Gregory Engels (PP-DE) - ordinary member | + | - Jens Stomber, Gregory Engels (PP-DE) - ordinary member\\ |
| - | - Michale Sinclair (PP-Bavaria) - observer member | + | - Michale Sinclair (PP-Bavaria) - observer member\\ |
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| - | Issued tokens for: | + | Issued tokens for:\\ |
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| - | PP-CZ (6 votes) | + | PP-CZ (6 votes)\\ |
| - | MEPs (2 votes) | + | MEPs (2 votes)\\ |
| - | PP-SE (1 vote) | + | PP-SE (1 vote)\\ |
| - | PP-LU (2 votes) | + | PP-LU (2 votes)\\ |
| - | PP-AT (1 vote) | + | PP-AT (1 vote)\\ |
| - | PP-CAT (1 vote) | + | PP-CAT (1 vote)\\ |
| - | PP-IS (3 votes) | + | PP-IS (3 votes)\\ |
| - | YPE (2 votes) | + | YPE (2 votes)\\ |
| - | PP-DE (2 votes) | + | PP-DE (2 votes)\\ |
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| - | **Agenda** | + | **Agenda** |
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| - | 11.10 - Budget 2021 midterm | + | 11.10 - Budget 2021 midterm |
| - | 11.30 - Motions from members | + | 11.30 - Motions from members |
| - | 12.00 - Election for vacant position for CoCC | + | 12.00 - Election for vacant position for CoCC \\ |
| - | 12.45 - Conference on the future of Europe, https:// | + | 12.45 - Conference on the future of Europe, https:// |
| - | 13.30 - Lunch break | + | 13.30 - Lunch break |
| - | 14.00 - Financial regulation (https:// | + | 14.00 - Financial regulation (https:// |
| - | 14.30 - PPI relations | + | 14.30 - PPI relations |
| - | 15.00 - Relations with Greens/EFA | + | 15.00 - Relations with Greens/ |
| - | 15.30 - PPEU logo | + | 15.30 - PPEU logo \\ |
| - | 16.00 - Closing the meeting | + | 16.00 - Closing the meeting |
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| - | **Voting system** | + | **Voting system** |
| - | https:// | + | https:// |
| - | Provided by Dario (PP-CAT) | + | Provided by Dario (PP-CAT) |
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| - | Meeting opened at 11:00 by Mikuláš. | + | Meeting opened at 11:00 by Mikuláš. |
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| - | Orga-team is introduced by Mikuláš, none objected. | + | Orga-team is introduced by Mikuláš, none objected. |
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| - | Agenda will be now explained by Mikuláš, asking now to PP-AT Desertold objecting the election of CoCC in the agenda. | + | Agenda will be now explained by Mikuláš, asking now to PP-AT Desertold objecting the election of CoCC in the agenda. |
| - | Desertold is preseting art. 13 of PPEU Statutes where it says that CoCC elections has to be held at the same of PPEU board' | + | Desertold is preseting art. 13 of PPEU Statutes where it says that CoCC elections has to be held at the same of PPEU board' |
| - | Mikuláš is intepreting this that we should also have the same rules for replacing a member. | + | Mikuláš is intepreting this that we should also have the same rules for replacing a member. |
| - | Mikuláš would like to Council to vote on this. | + | Mikuláš would like to Council to vote on this. \\ |
| - | Desertold is stating that CoCC is an independent body so he means there is no connection of rules of procedures. < I stated the CoCC has it's own RoP https:// | + | Desertold is stating that CoCC is an independent body so he means there is no connection of rules of procedures. < I stated the CoCC has it's own RoP https:// |
| - | Mikuláš remembes to anyone that unfortunately we cannot amend today Statutes due to lack of time, so it has to be taken into account for future meetings. | + | Mikuláš remembes to anyone that unfortunately we cannot amend today Statutes due to lack of time, so it has to be taken into account for future meetings. |
| - | Katla and Sven are arguing, supporting the PPEU board intepretation. | + | Katla and Sven are arguing, supporting the PPEU board intepretation. |
| - | Desertold just wants to remind that this is about Rules of Procedure and we don't need to do it now. | + | Desertold just wants to remind that this is about Rules of Procedure and we don't need to do it now. \\ |
| - | Matti is pointing out that candidates should be nominated a month prior to the election day. | + | Matti is pointing out that candidates should be nominated a month prior to the election day. \\ |
| - | Mikuláš would like to propose a vote to have this point on the agenda or not. | + | Mikuláš would like to propose a vote to have this point on the agenda or not. \\ |
| - | About voting system, Desertold is asking for a test vote, that will be done for sure. | + | About voting system, Desertold is asking for a test vote, that will be done for sure. \\ |
| - | Bastian is asking if Assemblea is opend to everyone or not. | + | Bastian is asking if Assemblea is opend to everyone or not. \\ |
| - | Dario is explaining the casting vote system and the whole process. | + | Dario is explaining the casting vote system and the whole process. |
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| - | Mikuláš proposes now to have the test vote: none objected to we start the test vote. | + | Mikuláš proposes now to have the test vote: none objected to we start the test vote. \\ |
| - | Dario is showing the procedure. | + | Dario is showing the procedure. |
| - | Testing vote is now on; " | + | Testing vote is now on; " |
| - | Results here shortly. Vote is closed now. | + | Results here shortly. Vote is closed now.\\ |
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| - | Here is the result | + | Here is the result\\ |
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| - | PP-LU: yay 2 | + | PP-LU: yay 2\\ |
| - | PP-SE: idk 1 | + | PP-SE: idk 1\\ |
| - | PP-CZ: yay 6 | + | PP-CZ: yay 6\\ |
| - | PP-IS: nay 3 | + | PP-IS: nay 3\\ |
| - | MEPs: yay 2 | + | MEPs: yay 2\\ |
| - | PP-DE: yay 2 | + | PP-DE: yay 2\\ |
| - | PP-AT: yay 1 | + | PP-AT: yay 1\\ |
| - | PP-CAT: nay 1 | + | PP-CAT: nay 1\\ |
| - | YPE: yay 2.0 | + | YPE: yay 2.0\\ |
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| - | Yes: 15 | + | Yes: 15 \\ |
| - | No: 4 | + | No: 4 \\ |
| - | Abstain: 1 | + | Abstain: 1 \\ |
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| - | (So PPEU has officially a bad taste regarding Pizza) | + | (So PPEU has officially a bad taste regarding Pizza) |
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| - | In case of results will be wrong, we could modify single votes on demand from the minute (not modifying it from Assemblea). | + | In case of results will be wrong, we could modify single votes on demand from the minute (not modifying it from Assemblea). |
| - | Corrections should be asked immediatly or vote will be consider valid anyway. | + | Corrections should be asked immediatly or vote will be consider valid anyway. |
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| - | Before officially vote, we need to set up votes for this council. | + | Before officially vote, we need to set up votes for this council. |
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| - | Membership overview for 2021: right now no member payed fees for 2021. | + | Membership overview for 2021: right now no member payed fees for 2021. \\ |
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| - | Proposal regarding payment of annual fees. | + | Proposal regarding payment of annual fees. \\ |
| - | The board proposes suspending 2021 payment of membership fees until the second council meeting of 2021. | + | The board proposes suspending 2021 payment of membership fees until the second council meeting of 2021. \\ |
| - | All members that made payments for 2020 membership have voting rights during this council meeting, June 5th 2021. | + | All members that made payments for 2020 membership have voting rights during this council meeting, June 5th 2021. \\ |
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| - | Peter from PPAT: did all member be informed before? | + | Peter from PPAT: did all member be informed before? |
| - | Bastian is asking that everything was in invoices for 2021. | + | Bastian is asking that everything was in invoices for 2021. \\ |
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| - | Council will vote now on this. | + | Council will vote now on this. \\ |
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| - | Motion: | + | Motion: |
| - | The board proposes suspending 2021 payment of membership fees until the second council meeting of 2021. | + | The board proposes suspending 2021 payment of membership fees until the second council meeting of 2021. \\ |
| - | All members that made payments for 2020 membership have voting rights during this council meeting, June 5th 2021. | + | All members that made payments for 2020 membership have voting rights during this council meeting, June 5th 2021. \\ |
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| - | Results: | + | Results: |
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| - | PP-LU: yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU: yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-IS: yes 3.0 | + | PP-IS: yes 3.0\\ |
| - | PP-AT: yes 1.0 | + | PP-AT: yes 1.0\\ |
| - | MEPs: yes 2.0 | + | MEPs: yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-CZ: yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ: yes 6.0\\ |
| - | PP-CAT: yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT: yes 1.0\\ |
| - | PP-SE: yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE: yes 1.0\\ |
| - | PP-DE: yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE: yes 2.0\\ |
| - | YPE: yes 2.0 | + | YPE: yes 2.0\\ |
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| - | Motion passed. We have 20 votes, so we have a valid quorum. | + | Motion passed. We have 20 votes, so we have a valid quorum. |
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| - | Proposal for chairing the meeting: Mikuláš and Katla. | + | Proposal for chairing the meeting: Mikuláš and Katla. |
| - | Sven asking about procedure: if there is no objection we could not vote. | + | Sven asking about procedure: if there is no objection we could not vote. \\ |
| - | Sven is proposing to accept the proposal without a vote if there is no objections. | + | Sven is proposing to accept the proposal without a vote if there is no objections. |
| - | Motion passed unanimously. | + | Motion passed unanimously. |
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| - | Vote on the agenda: | + | Vote on the agenda: |
| - | Peter from PPAT: does it include CoCC member election? | + | Peter from PPAT: does it include CoCC member election? |
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| - | Mikuláš is proposing to vote on specific item: | + | Mikuláš is proposing to vote on specific item: \\ |
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| - | Motion: | + | Motion: |
| - | - Should we include CoCC member election in the agenda? (YES/ | + | - Should we include CoCC member election in the agenda? (YES/ |
| - | Results: | + | Results: |
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| - | PP-IS abstain 3.0 | + | PP-IS abstain 3.0\\ |
| - | PP-CAT abstain 1.0 | + | PP-CAT abstain 1.0\\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0\\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-LU yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-DE abstain 2.0 | + | PP-DE abstain 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-SE no 1.0 | + | PP-SE no 1.0\\ |
| - | YPE yes 2.0 | + | YPE yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-AT no 1.0 | + | PP-AT no 1.0\\ |
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| - | Yes: 12 | + | Yes: 12 \\ |
| - | No: 2 | + | No: 2 \\ |
| - | Abstain: 6 | + | Abstain: 6 \\ |
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| - | Motion passed. | + | Motion passed. |
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| - | Motion: vote to approve the agenda as presented before | + | Motion: vote to approve the agenda as presented before |
| - | Results: | + | Results: |
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| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0\\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-SE yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE yes 1.0\\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0\\ |
| - | PP-LU yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU yes 2.0\\ |
| - | YPE yes 2.0 | + | YPE yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-IS yes 3.0 | + | PP-IS yes 3.0\\ |
| - | PP-AT abstain 1.0 | + | PP-AT abstain 1.0\\ |
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| - | Yes: 19 | + | Yes: 19 \\ |
| - | No: 0 | + | No: 0 \\ |
| - | Abstain: 1 | + | Abstain: 1 \\ |
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| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed\\ |
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| - | **1. Budget 2021 midterm** | + | **1. Budget 2021 midterm** |
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| - | Treasurer in charge made a budget proposal for 2021 | + | Treasurer in charge made a budget proposal for 2021 \\ |
| - | Sven is pointing out that if we want to be a recogonised as PPEU party we need to be aware of the current EU regulation about budget. | + | Sven is pointing out that if we want to be a recogonised as PPEU party we need to be aware of the current EU regulation about budget.\\ |
| - | Bastian is answering that for the future we need to change our budgeting system. | + | Bastian is answering that for the future we need to change our budgeting system. |
| - | Budget 2021: https:// | + | Budget 2021: https:// |
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| - | Mikuláš is informing the Council that PP-FR will formally not participate to this meeting because of the presence of someone in the council. | + | Mikuláš is informing the Council that PP-FR will formally not participate to this meeting because of the presence of someone in the council. |
| - | Nobody is raising anythiing. | + | Nobody is raising anythiing. |
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| - | **2. Any other motions from the members** | + | **2. Any other motions from the members** |
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| - | Sven is asking if we have to put on a formal motion or not about the mandate to be recognised as PPEU political party. | + | Sven is asking if we have to put on a formal motion or not about the mandate to be recognised as PPEU political party. |
| - | Henrik is generally supporting the idea, but is there a dedicated point later on the agenda? | + | Henrik is generally supporting the idea, but is there a dedicated point later on the agenda? |
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| - | Mikuláš is pointing out that all needed Statutes changes were already done last November. | + | Mikuláš is pointing out that all needed Statutes changes were already done last November. |
| - | https:// | + | https:// |
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| - | Here it is a source of knowledge: http:// | + | Here it is a source of knowledge: http:// |
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| - | Regulation regarding EU political parties: https:// | + | Regulation regarding EU political parties: https:// |
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| - | Motion 1: The Council encourages the Board to proceed to initiate admission of new observer members by letting Council members vote through an appropriate and secure voting mechanism when needed. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) | + | Motion 1: The Council encourages the Board to proceed to initiate admission of new observer members by letting Council members vote through an appropriate and secure voting mechanism when needed. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) |
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| - | Motion 2: The Council invites the Board to create a taskforce to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfill the conditions for registration as a european political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) | + | Motion 2: The Council invites the Board to create a taskforce to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfill the conditions for registration as a european political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) |
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| - | Mikuláš agreed with Sven that we should try to register it anyway and then wait for the result and accordingly. | + | Mikuláš agreed with Sven that we should try to register it anyway and then wait for the result and accordingly. |
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| - | We are now voting on motion 1 and 2. | + | We are now voting on motion 1 and 2. \\ |
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| - | Motion 1 | + | Motion 1 \\ |
| - | The Council encourages the Board to proceed to initiate admission of new observer members by letting Council members vote through an appropriate and secure voting mechanism when needed. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) | + | The Council encourages the Board to proceed to initiate admission of new observer members by letting Council members vote through an appropriate and secure voting mechanism when needed. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) |
| - | Motion 2 | + | Motion 2 \\ |
| - | The Council invites the Board to create a taskforce to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfill the conditions for registration as a european political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) | + | The Council invites the Board to create a taskforce to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfill the conditions for registration as a european political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement) |
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| - | PP-IS abstain 3.0 | + | PP-IS abstain 3.0 \\ |
| - | PP-LU yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes1.0 |
| - | MEPs yes2.0 | + | MEPs yes2.0 |
| - | PP-DE yes2.0 | + | PP-DE yes2.0 |
| - | PP-AT yes1.0 | + | PP-AT yes1.0 |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 |
| - | YPE abstain 2.0 | + | YPE abstain 2.0 \\ |
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| - | Result: | + | Result: |
| - | Yes: 15 | + | Yes: 15 \\ |
| - | No: 0 | + | No: 0 \\ |
| - | Abstain: 5 | + | Abstain: 5 \\ |
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| - | PP-IS delegate is pointing out that PPIS abstains on both motions. A new voting token has been issued for PP-IS delegate as the first token may be compromised. | + | PP-IS delegate is pointing out that PPIS abstains on both motions. A new voting token has been issued for PP-IS delegate as the first token may be compromised. |
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| - | Motion 2 | + | Motion 2 \\ |
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| - | PP-SE yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-LU yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | PP-AT yes 1.0 | + | PP-AT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS no 3.0 | + | PP-IS no 3.0 \\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | YPE abstain 2.0 | + | YPE abstain 2.0 \\ |
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| - | Result: | + | Result: |
| - | Yes 15.0 =75.0% | + | Yes 15.0 =75.0% |
| - | No 3.0 =15.0% | + | No 3.0 =15.0% |
| - | Abstain 2.0 =10.0% | + | Abstain 2.0 =10.0% |
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| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
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| - | **BREAK TIME NOW until 13:00 (5 mins)** | + | **BREAK TIME NOW until 13:00 (5 mins)** |
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| - | Now Katla is chairing. | + | Now Katla is chairing. |
| - | Mikuláš would like to reopen the nominations from CoCC elections. | + | Mikuláš would like to reopen the nominations from CoCC elections. |
| - | Due to lack of nominations, | + | Due to lack of nominations, |
| - | Mikuláš is speaking now about Conference on the future of Europe, https:// | + | Mikuláš is speaking now about Conference on the future of Europe, https:// |
| - | There was an online tool created, serving to collect proposal from EU citizens. | + | There was an online tool created, serving to collect proposal from EU citizens. |
| - | There should be also an Assembly Meeting, MEPs are trying to push Pirates there and if everything will go in the right way Markéta will have a seat on it. | + | There should be also an Assembly Meeting, MEPs are trying to push Pirates there and if everything will go in the right way Markéta will have a seat on it. \\ |
| - | Conference here: https:// | + | Conference here: https:// |
| - | Mikuláš would like to propose it here: https:// | + | Mikuláš would like to propose it here: https:// |
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| - | Desertold is asking if in the meantime people are remembering to vote on the budget. | + | Desertold is asking if in the meantime people are remembering to vote on the budget. |
| - | Katla would like to follow the current topic and postpone vote on budget later. | + | Katla would like to follow the current topic and postpone vote on budget later. |
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| - | The idea is that there should be 40/50 seats and a common constituency but with such higher threshold that Pirates will be cut off. | + | The idea is that there should be 40/50 seats and a common constituency but with such higher threshold that Pirates will be cut off. \\ |
| - | But having this Constituency issue with PPEU run, we will be able to participate into EU elections even where it's now very difficult, like in France. | + | But having this Constituency issue with PPEU run, we will be able to participate into EU elections even where it's now very difficult, like in France. |
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| - | After a discussion here about the draft, what should we do here (Peter is asking)? | + | After a discussion here about the draft, what should we do here (Peter is asking)? |
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| - | This a draft proposal from our MEPs: Mikuláš is telling that if this document will be approved by PPEU CM it would be a powerful thing. | + | This a draft proposal from our MEPs: Mikuláš is telling that if this document will be approved by PPEU CM it would be a powerful thing. |
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| - | Katla would like to postpone vote here about the above draft and vote for budget now. | + | Katla would like to postpone vote here about the above draft and vote for budget now. \\ |
| - | No objection raised. | + | No objection raised. |
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| - | So Katla is asking now Bastian if the midterm budget is just a document or we need to vote it. | + | So Katla is asking now Bastian if the midterm budget is just a document or we need to vote it. \\ |
| - | The chair added that she " | + | The chair added that she " |
| - | Alessandro is poiting out that last CM we did approve the budget for 2021 (https:// | + | Alessandro is poiting out that last CM we did approve the budget for 2021 (https:// |
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| - | Motion: | + | Motion: |
| - | Approving the midterm 2021 budget as provided before | + | Approving the midterm 2021 budget as provided before |
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| - | Result | + | Result |
| - | PP-CAT abstain 1.0 | + | PP-CAT abstain 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-LU yes2.0 | + | PP-LU yes2.0 |
| - | PP-AT no 1.0 | + | PP-AT no 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE yes1.0 | + | PP-SE yes1.0 |
| - | PP-DE yes2.0 | + | PP-DE yes2.0 |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS abstain 3.0 | + | PP-IS abstain 3.0 \\ |
| - | YPE yes 2.0 | + | YPE yes 2.0 \\ |
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| - | Yes15.0 75.0% | + | Yes15.0 75.0% \\ |
| - | No 1.0 5.0% | + | No 1.0 5.0% \\ |
| - | Abstain 4.0 20.0% | + | Abstain 4.0 20.0% \\ |
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| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
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| - | Meeting is on lunch time now until 14:30 CEST. | + | Meeting is on lunch time now until 14:30 CEST. \\ |
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| - | Meeting reopened at 14:32, chaired by Katla. | + | Meeting reopened at 14:32, chaired by Katla. |
| - | Matti would like to propose an amendement | + | Matti would like to propose an amendement |
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| - | "That the final vote on the PIRATE PRIORITIES FOR THE CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF EUROPE is tabled and voted on at a later point" | + | "That the final vote on the PIRATE PRIORITIES FOR THE CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF EUROPE is tabled and voted on at a later point" |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | About voting on the document, we can agree on having a draft on vote here. | + | About voting on the document, we can agree on having a draft on vote here. \\ |
| - | Sven is asking maybe to move the topic on a transnational list instead of a consituency. PP-LU is in favour of qualifing majority. | + | Sven is asking maybe to move the topic on a transnational list instead of a consituency. PP-LU is in favour of qualifing majority. |
| - | Matti doesn' | + | Matti doesn' |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion: | + | Motion: |
| - | Final vote on the PIRATE PRIORITIES FOR THE CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF EUROPE is tabled and voted on at a later point" | + | Final vote on the PIRATE PRIORITIES FOR THE CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF EUROPE is tabled and voted on at a later point" |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Results | + | Results |
| - | YPE is missing | + | YPE is missing |
| - | PP-CZ abstain 6.0 | + | PP-CZ abstain 6.0 \\ |
| - | PP-LU yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-AT abstain 1.0 | + | PP-AT abstain 1.0\\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0\\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS yes 3.0 | + | PP-IS yes 3.0 \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion | + | Motion |
| - | Yes 11 | + | Yes 11 \\ |
| - | No 0 | + | No 0 \\ |
| - | Abstain 7 | + | Abstain 7 \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Vote of MEPs are 2 votes YES | + | Vote of MEPs are 2 votes YES \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Mikuláš suggests PPSE to keep in contact with PPEU board on this topic, in order to improve the final version - PPSE confirmed this | + | Mikuláš suggests PPSE to keep in contact with PPEU board on this topic, in order to improve the final version - PPSE confirmed this\\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | It's not necessary now to vote on the text today as it is. PPSE and all other members that would like to amend the final draft to be voted. | + | It's not necessary now to vote on the text today as it is. PPSE and all other members that would like to amend the final draft to be voted.\\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | PeterTheOne (ppAT) proposes that this will be not left only to the MEP´s ... there should be also consedered a feedback from the council. | + | PeterTheOne (ppAT) proposes that this will be not left only to the MEP´s ... there should be also consedered a feedback from the council. |
| - | The Council can give it to the board. | + | The Council can give it to the board. |
| - | Mab is considering that only allowed delegates can propose amendements. | + | Mab is considering that only allowed delegates can propose amendements. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion | + | Motion |
| - | The council approves this draft text to be foundation for further work | + | The council approves this draft text to be foundation for further work \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Results: | + | Results: |
| - | + | | |
| - | YPE yes 2.0 | + | YPE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS yes 3.0 | + | PP-IS yes 3.0 \\ |
| - | PP-AT yes 1.0 | + | PP-AT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-LU yes 2.0 | + | PP-LU yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE: abstain 1.0 | + | PP-SE: abstain 1.0 \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Yes: 20 100% | + | Yes: 20 100% \\ |
| - | No: 0 0% | + | No: 0 0% \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | **5. Financial Regulation Act** | + | **5. Financial Regulation Act** \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Alessandro reports on financial regulation. | + | Alessandro reports on financial regulation. |
| - | First: Thx for participation und work done | + | First: Thx for participation und work done \\ |
| - | Statutes are very clear how the members are obligated to contribute | + | Statutes are very clear how the members are obligated to contribute |
| - | Alessandro points out that the budget dicussion is a political choice | + | Alessandro points out that the budget dicussion is a political choice |
| - | Alessandro also is insisting that donation and budget are two different things | + | Alessandro also is insisting that donation and budget are two different things |
| - | actual situation says (Statutes) that if member not paying their membership fees they have no right to vote. So Alessandro reduced with the member treasures the amount to make it more easier no be in the voting list. None the less Alessandro proposes to change this procedure to be more inclusive | + | actual situation says (Statutes) that if member not paying their membership fees they have no right to vote. So Alessandro reduced with the member treasures the amount to make it more easier no be in the voting list. None the less Alessandro proposes to change this procedure to be more inclusive |
| - | PP-FR is against accepting donation from companies | + | PP-FR is against accepting donation from companies |
| - | more Info can be found here: https:// | + | more Info can be found here: https:// |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Bastian (PP-DE) points out: was is written down in the pad mainly already is worded in the statutes. | + | Bastian (PP-DE) points out: was is written down in the pad mainly already is worded in the statutes. |
| - | Also: Budget is a " | + | Also: Budget is a " |
| - | Regarding the donation issue: we could fix the donation issue but as we are publishing anyway all donations he do not know if this necessary. | + | Regarding the donation issue: we could fix the donation issue but as we are publishing anyway all donations he do not know if this necessary. |
| - | Regarding Long Term Budget: This makes sence if we are a big party... but at the moment ? | + | Regarding Long Term Budget: This makes sence if we are a big party... but at the moment ? \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Mikulas (MEP) points out: "The treasurer should be responsible to:" (line 26) .... a personally responsability for the treasure is not wishfull. | + | Mikulas (MEP) points out: "The treasurer should be responsible to:" (line 26) .... a personally responsability for the treasure is not wishfull. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Exile proposes: The council approves this draft text to be foundation for further work .. would this be an agreement ? | + | Exile proposes: The council approves this draft text to be foundation for further work .. would this be an agreement ? \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Bastian (PP-DE): There is no need to act like super urgent on this issue. | + | Bastian (PP-DE): There is no need to act like super urgent on this issue. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | There will be vote on the text on the next council probably in November, no vote today. The text presented today should be foundation for the further work. | + | There will be vote on the text on the next council probably in November, no vote today. The text presented today should be foundation for the further work. \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Bastian has a procedural motion: to adopt immediatly section 3. | + | Bastian has a procedural motion: to adopt immediatly section 3. \\ |
| - | Mab reminds the CM that only PPEU official delegates can issue procedural motion. | + | Mab reminds the CM that only PPEU official delegates can issue procedural motion. |
| - | Katla is wondering if anyone is taking care of this procedural motion. | + | Katla is wondering if anyone is taking care of this procedural motion. |
| - | This procedural motion is now rejected and we're moving on next topic. | + | This procedural motion is now rejected and we're moving on next topic. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | **6. PPI relations** | + | **6. PPI relations** |
| - | Keith (Pirates Israel - and PPI Board member) is now speaking. Political restrictions are globally quiet often, Europa is in a rather comfortable situation but this political freedom is important, do not forget about it. | + | Keith (Pirates Israel - and PPI Board member) is now speaking. Political restrictions are globally quiet often, Europa is in a rather comfortable situation but this political freedom is important, do not forget about it. \\ |
| - | It's really important to stand united and decentralised our organisation globally. First layer solution is PPI as now, second level solution could be a real global organisation of individuals. | + | It's really important to stand united and decentralised our organisation globally. First layer solution is PPI as now, second level solution could be a real global organisation of individuals. |
| - | Matti (PP-SE) is pointing out: Sweden Pirate Party is not member of PPI, neither is Island. | + | Matti (PP-SE) is pointing out: Sweden Pirate Party is not member of PPI, neither is Island. |
| - | Katla is asking if we are currently preparing to vote on PPEU entering in PPI as a member. | + | Katla is asking if we are currently preparing to vote on PPEU entering in PPI as a member. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Dealing the issue if European Pirates should join PPI (as observer member): | + | Dealing the issue if European Pirates should join PPI (as observer member): |
| - | Bastian is pointing out that if PPEU would be member of PPI it will help PPEU to deal with GDPR compliance. | + | Bastian is pointing out that if PPEU would be member of PPI it will help PPEU to deal with GDPR compliance. |
| - | Desertrold is remembering that only Countries can be Ordinary member, but PPEU can be Observer Member. | + | Desertrold is remembering that only Countries can be Ordinary member, but PPEU can be Observer Member. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Gregory (PPI Vice Chair & PP-DE) is clearifying ... we are talking only about observer membership in PPI (and adds PPI is already observer member in PP-EU). | + | Gregory (PPI Vice Chair & PP-DE) is clearifying ... we are talking only about observer membership in PPI (and adds PPI is already observer member in PP-EU). |
| - | It would be easier in many ways if PPEU would be also a member of PPI, so if it has to table by PPEU member or the board is not confident enouth, PPDE would table a motion to PPEU apply as Observer Member. | + | It would be easier in many ways if PPEU would be also a member of PPI, so if it has to table by PPEU member or the board is not confident enouth, PPDE would table a motion to PPEU apply as Observer Member. |
| - | Deadline for application is tonight (for next PPI GA) | + | Deadline for application is tonight (for next PPI GA) \\ |
| - | Mikuláš (PP-CZ) is supporting that there will be a motion today about this. | + | Mikuláš (PP-CZ) is supporting that there will be a motion today about this. \\ |
| - | Due to the fact that some PPEU members are not in PPI, Mikuláš is asking if this can be acceptable for all us PPEU members. | + | Due to the fact that some PPEU members are not in PPI, Mikuláš is asking if this can be acceptable for all us PPEU members. |
| - | Bastian is asking for delegates bringing the motion to the table. | + | Bastian is asking for delegates bringing the motion to the table. |
| - | Katla insists that motion please written to the secretary. | + | Katla insists that motion please written to the secretary. |
| - | Matti is saying that we don't have to hurry up: also asking for clear path of PPEU application into PPI. | + | Matti is saying that we don't have to hurry up: also asking for clear path of PPEU application into PPI. \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Desertrold is tabling a motion. | + | Desertrold is tabling a motion. |
| - | Peter is considering that if PPEU becomes member of PPI, obbligations are for PPEU, not for single members. | + | Peter is considering that if PPEU becomes member of PPI, obbligations are for PPEU, not for single members. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Desertrold writes down that | + | Desertrold writes down that \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | 2) Observer Members have the right to | + | 2) Observer Members have the right to\\ |
| - | a) sit in the General Assembly but with no voting right, | + | a) sit in the General Assembly but with no voting right, |
| - | b) nominate candidates for any body of the association, | + | b) nominate candidates for any body of the association, |
| - | c) submit motions to the General Assembly. | + | c) submit motions to the General Assembly. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Mikuláš is considering that is in PPEU interest to raise up European politics at a worldwide level. | + | Mikuláš is considering that is in PPEU interest to raise up European politics at a worldwide level. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion | + | Motion |
| - | The council is asking the board to apply for observer membership of PP-EU in Pirate Parties International. | + | The council is asking the board to apply for observer membership of PP-EU in Pirate Parties International. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Results | + | Results |
| - | PP-AT yes 1.0 | + | PP-AT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS no 3.0 | + | PP-IS no 3.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE no 1.0 | + | PP-SE no 1.0\\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 |
| - | YPE yes 2.0 | + | YPE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Yes: 14 (77.78%) | + | Yes: 14 (77.78%) |
| - | No: 4 (22.22%) | + | No: 4 (22.22%) |
| - | Abstain: 0 (0.0%) | + | Abstain: 0 (0.0%) |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | **15 mins break now until 16:20 CEST** | + | **15 mins break now until 16:20 CEST** |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Mikuláš presents Greens/EFA Relationship with us in the European Parlament. | + | Mikuláš presents Greens/EFA Relationship with us in the European Parlament. |
| - | Statues of EFA/Greens are saying.. members (and creators) are Greens and European Free Alliance. | + | Statues of EFA/Greens are saying.. members (and creators) are Greens and European Free Alliance. |
| - | Pirates nether formed part as party ... pirates are only included on individual basis. | + | Pirates nether formed part as party ... pirates are only included on individual basis. |
| - | After 12 years forming somehow part it would be time to introduce us as party ... for this we would need the wish of the European Pirates to start the negotiation. | + | After 12 years forming somehow part it would be time to introduce us as party ... for this we would need the wish of the European Pirates to start the negotiation. |
| - | Therefore Mikuláš is asking for the mandate herewith... | + | Therefore Mikuláš is asking for the mandate herewith... |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Exile is wondering if we could make this as a kind of working group. | + | Exile is wondering if we could make this as a kind of working group. |
| - | Mikuláš totally agrees on it - but Greens are insisting in having real life meeting.. so this will take place in Brussels. | + | Mikuláš totally agrees on it - but Greens are insisting in having real life meeting.. so this will take place in Brussels. |
| - | Also because we need to cooperate and being in touch with local PPEUs member. | + | Also because we need to cooperate and being in touch with local PPEUs member. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion | + | Motion |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Council nominates Sven Clement (PPLU) and Mikuláš Peksa (PPCZ) to represent European Pirate Party in the negotiation between Greens/EFA and Pirates. | + | Council nominates Sven Clement (PPLU) and Mikuláš Peksa (PPCZ) to represent European Pirate Party in the negotiation between Greens/EFA and Pirates. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Results | + | Results |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | PP-AT yes 1.0 | + | PP-AT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS yes 3.0 | + | PP-IS yes 3.0 \\ |
| - | YPE yes 2.0 | + | YPE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-LU is missing | + | PP-LU is missing |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Yes 18 100.0% | + | Yes 18 100.0% |
| - | No 0 0.0% | + | No 0 0.0% \\ |
| - | Abstain 0 0.0% | + | Abstain 0 0.0% \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion passed. | + | Motion passed. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | **7. PPEU logo** | + | **7. PPEU logo** |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Mikuláš: We should register our logo to be officially ours - in a legal way. | + | Mikuláš: We should register our logo to be officially ours - in a legal way. \\ |
| - | Bastian: Offer for 190 Euros.... he had a look to this already... the proposal from the media group would be the next step... afterwords European Pirates have to agree | + | Bastian: Offer for 190 Euros.... he had a look to this already... the proposal from the media group would be the next step... afterwords European Pirates have to agree |
| - | Desertrold: Question.... we are againts copyright and now we are closing our own logo with this kind of tools ? | + | Desertrold: Question.... we are againts copyright and now we are closing our own logo with this kind of tools ? \\ |
| - | Mikuláš: would rather prefer to speak about Trademark ... and not about copyright legislation | + | Mikuláš: would rather prefer to speak about Trademark ... and not about copyright legislation |
| - | Bastian is insisting: Registering is necessary... we need to defend us from Abuse | + | Bastian is insisting: Registering is necessary... we need to defend us from Abuse \\ |
| - | Mikuláš asking: we agreed a budget this morning... there is included the registration cost .... so, why we are talking about a mandate to the media group for elaborating a proposal | + | Mikuláš asking: we agreed a budget this morning... there is included the registration cost .... so, why we are talking about a mandate to the media group for elaborating a proposal |
| - | Michael is asking about the registration scope | + | Michael is asking about the registration scope |
| - | Mikuláš doesn'' | + | Mikuláš doesn'' |
| - | Matti is a bit confused: which logo will be registered? And for what exact reason? | + | Matti is a bit confused: which logo will be registered? And for what exact reason? |
| - | Mikuláš is telling that this is the logo https:// | + | Mikuláš is telling that this is the logo https:// |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion A: | + | Motion A: \\ |
| - | The Council mandates the European Pirates Board to take care of the registration of the PPEU logo. | + | The Council mandates the European Pirates Board to take care of the registration of the PPEU logo. \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion: B: | + | Motion: B: \\ |
| - | European Pirates are kindly asking their members to display the logo of PPEU on their respective web pages. | + | European Pirates are kindly asking their members to display the logo of PPEU on their respective web pages. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Results: | + | Results: |
| - | YPE are missing | + | YPE are missing |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion A | + | Motion A \\ |
| - | PP-AT no 1.0 | + | PP-AT no 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | PP-SE no 1.0 | + | PP-SE no 1.0 \\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS no 3.0 | + | PP-IS no 3.0 \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Yes 11.0 = 68.75% | + | Yes 11.0 = 68.75% |
| - | No 5.0 = 31.25% | + | No 5.0 = 31.25% |
| - | Abstain = 0 =0.0% | + | Abstain = 0 =0.0% \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion B | + | Motion B \\ |
| - | PP-SE yes 1.0 | + | PP-SE yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CZ yes 6.0 | + | PP-CZ yes 6.0 \\ |
| - | PP-AT yes 1.0 | + | PP-AT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | MEPs yes 2.0 | + | MEPs yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-IS yes 3.0 | + | PP-IS yes 3.0 \\ |
| - | PP-DE yes 2.0 | + | PP-DE yes 2.0 \\ |
| - | PP-CAT yes 1.0 | + | PP-CAT yes 1.0 \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Yes 16 =100.0% | + | Yes 16 =100.0% |
| - | No 0 =0.0% | + | No 0 =0.0% \\ |
| - | Abstain 0 =0.0% | + | Abstain 0 =0.0% \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Motion passed | + | Motion passed |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | **Report from Marco (CoCC)** | + | **Report from Marco (CoCC)** |
| - | Wikipage was opened first thing after being elected. | + | Wikipage was opened first thing after being elected. |
| - | Reports are published there. | + | Reports are published there. |
| - | Regarding the current issue a pre-report is published, but the process is not closed yet: | + | Regarding the current issue a pre-report is published, but the process is not closed yet: \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Report on the activities of the Code of Conduct Council | + | Report on the activities of the Code of Conduct Council |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Shortly after its election, the CoCC opened its Wiki page, reachable at the following address: | + | Shortly after its election, the CoCC opened its Wiki page, reachable at the following address: |
| - | https:// | + | https:// |
| - | The CoCC began to work on its Rules of Procedure to provide a frame and some guidelines for people who wanted to submit a case. At the same time, we realized that a general investigation on the extent of harassment inside the PPEU community was required. As soon as the Rules of Procedure were finalized, we launched the investigation on March, 7th. | + | The CoCC began to work on its Rules of Procedure to provide a frame and some guidelines for people who wanted to submit a case. At the same time, we realized that a general investigation on the extent of harassment inside the PPEU community was required. As soon as the Rules of Procedure were finalized, we launched the investigation on March, 7th. \\ |
| - | The results were approved and published on the wiki on May, 31st: | + | The results were approved and published on the wiki on May, 31st: \\ |
| - | | + | |
| - | Apart from the reports and complaints already listed in the general investigation, | + | Apart from the reports and complaints already listed in the general investigation, |
| - | The individual complaints have not be treated yet as the activities of the CoCC were mostly concentrated on producing the preliminary report, but will begin to be processed soon. | + | The individual complaints have not be treated yet as the activities of the CoCC were mostly concentrated on producing the preliminary report, but will begin to be processed soon. \\ |
| - | Although a preliminary report was produced, the general investigation is not closed yet, as the CoCC would like to investigate thoroughly some specific cases. | + | Although a preliminary report was produced, the general investigation is not closed yet, as the CoCC would like to investigate thoroughly some specific cases. |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | For the CoCC, | + | For the CoCC, \\ |
| - | Etienne, Marco | + | Etienne, Marco \\ |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Katla is asking: any other business ? | + | Katla is asking: any other business ? \\ |
| - | Gregory is willing to spread the world about ECI " | + | Gregory is willing to spread the world about ECI " |
| - | + | \\ | |
| - | Meeting closed at: 17:25 CEST | + | Meeting closed at: 17:25 CEST\\ |
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