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 https://​jitsi.pirati.cz/​PPEUCouncilJune2021\\ https://​jitsi.pirati.cz/​PPEUCouncilJune2021\\
 +Recording: https://​owncloud.ag-technik.de/​s/​pwPtFKXMEGLWGA6
  
-List of International delegates.:\\+List of International delegates:​\\
 Wiki \\ Wiki \\
 https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=8th_council_meeting_2021:​delegates\\ https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=8th_council_meeting_2021:​delegates\\
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 Orga-team is introduced by Mikuláš, none objected.\\ ​ Orga-team is introduced by Mikuláš, none objected.\\ ​
  
-Agenda will be now explained by Mikuláš, asking now to PP-AT Desertold ​objecting the election of CoCC in the agenda.\\  +Agenda will be now explained by Mikuláš, asking now to PP-AT Desertrold ​objecting the election of CoCC in the agenda.\\  
-Desertold ​is preseting ​art. 13 of PPEU Statutes where it says that CoCC elections has to be held at the same of PPEU board'​s election.\\  +Desertrold ​is presenting ​art. 13 of PPEU Statutes where it says that CoCC elections has to be held at the same of PPEU board'​s election.\\  
-Mikuláš is intepreting ​this that we should also have the same rules for replacing a member.\\ ​+Mikuláš is interpreting ​this that we should also have the same rules for replacing a member.\\ ​
 Mikuláš would like to Council to vote on this.\\ ​ Mikuláš would like to Council to vote on this.\\ ​
-Desertold ​is stating that CoCC is an independent body so he means there is no connection of rules of procedures. < I stated the CoCC has it's own RoP https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=ppeu:​cocc2020\\  +Desertrold ​is stating that CoCC is an independent body so he means there is no connection of rules of procedures. < I stated the CoCC has it's own RoP https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=ppeu:​cocc2020\\  
-Mikuláš ​remembes ​to anyone that unfortunately we cannot amend today Statutes due to lack of time, so it has to be taken into account for future meetings.\\  +Mikuláš ​remembers ​to anyone that unfortunately we cannot amend today Statutes due to lack of time, so it has to be taken into account for future meetings.\\  
-Katla and Sven are arguing, supporting the PPEU board intepretation.\\  +Katla and Sven are arguing, supporting the PPEU board interpretation.\\  
-Desertold ​just wants to remind that this is about Rules of Procedure and we don't need to do it now.\\ ​+Desertrold ​just wants to remind that this is about Rules of Procedure and we don't need to do it now.\\ ​
 Matti is pointing out that candidates should be nominated a month prior to the election day.\\ ​ Matti is pointing out that candidates should be nominated a month prior to the election day.\\ ​
 Mikuláš would like to propose a vote to have this point on the agenda or not.\\ ​ Mikuláš would like to propose a vote to have this point on the agenda or not.\\ ​
-About voting system, ​Desertold ​is asking for a test vote, that will be done for sure.\\  +About voting system, ​Desertrold ​is asking for a test vote, that will be done for sure.\\  
-Bastian is asking if Assemblea is opend to everyone or not.\\ ​+Bastian is asking if Assemblea is opened ​to everyone or not.\\ ​
 Dario is explaining the casting vote system and the whole process.\\ ​ Dario is explaining the casting vote system and the whole process.\\ ​
  
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 In case of results will be wrong, we could modify single votes on demand from the minute (not modifying it from Assemblea).\\ ​ In case of results will be wrong, we could modify single votes on demand from the minute (not modifying it from Assemblea).\\ ​
-Corrections should be asked immediatly ​or vote will be consider valid anyway.\\ ​+Corrections should be asked immediately ​or vote will be consider valid anyway.\\ ​
  
 Before officially vote, we need to set up votes for this council.\\ ​ Before officially vote, we need to set up votes for this council.\\ ​
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 Results:​\\ ​ Results:​\\ ​
  
-PP-IS abstain 3.0 +PP-IS abstain 3.0\\ 
-PP-CAT abstain 1.0 +PP-CAT abstain 1.0\\ 
-PP-CZ yes 6.0 +PP-CZ yes 6.0\\ 
-MEPs yes 2.0 +MEPs yes 2.0\\ 
-PP-LU yes 2.0 +PP-LU yes 2.0\\ 
-PP-DE abstain 2.0 +PP-DE abstain 2.0\\ 
-PP-SE no 1.0 +PP-SE no 1.0\\ 
-YPE yes 2.0 +YPE yes 2.0\\ 
-PP-AT no 1.0+PP-AT no 1.0\\
  
 Yes: 12\\  Yes: 12\\ 
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 Treasurer in charge made a budget proposal for 2021\\ ​ Treasurer in charge made a budget proposal for 2021\\ ​
-Sven is pointing out that if we want to be a recogonised ​as PPEU party we need to be aware of the current EU regulation about budget.+Sven is pointing out that if we want to be a recognised ​as PPEU party we need to be aware of the current EU regulation about budget.
 Bastian is answering that for the future we need to change our budgeting system.\\ ​ Bastian is answering that for the future we need to change our budgeting system.\\ ​
 Budget 2021: https://​owncloud.ag-technik.de/​s/​s58QK3Ki9z6JCBe\\ ​ Budget 2021: https://​owncloud.ag-technik.de/​s/​s58QK3Ki9z6JCBe\\ ​
  
 Mikuláš is informing the Council that PP-FR will formally not participate to this meeting because of the presence of someone in the council.\\ ​ Mikuláš is informing the Council that PP-FR will formally not participate to this meeting because of the presence of someone in the council.\\ ​
-Nobody is raising ​anythiing.\\ +Nobody is raising ​anything.\\ 
  
 **2. Any other motions from the members**\\ ​ **2. Any other motions from the members**\\ ​
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 Motion 1: The Council encourages the Board to proceed to initiate admission of new observer members by letting Council members vote through an appropriate and secure voting mechanism when needed. (PP-LU/Sven Clement)\\ ​ Motion 1: The Council encourages the Board to proceed to initiate admission of new observer members by letting Council members vote through an appropriate and secure voting mechanism when needed. (PP-LU/Sven Clement)\\ ​
  
-Motion 2: The Council invites the Board to create a taskforce ​to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfill ​the conditions for registration as a european ​political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement)\\ ​+Motion 2: The Council invites the Board to create a task force to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfil ​the conditions for registration as a European ​political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement)\\ ​
  
 Mikuláš agreed with Sven that we should try to register it anyway and then wait for the result and accordingly.\\  ​ Mikuláš agreed with Sven that we should try to register it anyway and then wait for the result and accordingly.\\  ​
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 Motion 2\\  Motion 2\\ 
-The Council invites the Board to create a taskforce ​to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfill ​the conditions for registration as a european ​political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement)\\ ​+The Council invites the Board to create a task force to find and approach potential observer members in order to fulfil ​the conditions for registration as a European ​political party. (PP-LU/Sven Clement)\\ ​
    
 Motion 1\\  Motion 1\\ 
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 **BREAK TIME NOW until 13:00 (5 mins)**\\ ​ **BREAK TIME NOW until 13:00 (5 mins)**\\ ​
  
-Now Katla is chairing.\\ ​+Now Katla is chairing.\\ 
 + 
 +**3. Election of vacation position of CoCC**\\  
 + 
 Mikuláš would like to reopen the nominations from CoCC elections.\\ ​ Mikuláš would like to reopen the nominations from CoCC elections.\\ ​
 Due to lack of nominations,​ CoCC election won't take place today. CoCC will remain with two members until next election.\\ ​ Due to lack of nominations,​ CoCC election won't take place today. CoCC will remain with two members until next election.\\ ​
 +
 +**4. Conference on the future of Europe**\\
 +
 Mikuláš is speaking now about Conference on the future of Europe, https://​futureu.europa.eu/​pages/​about\\ ​ Mikuláš is speaking now about Conference on the future of Europe, https://​futureu.europa.eu/​pages/​about\\ ​
 There was an online tool created, serving to collect proposal from EU citizens.\\ ​ There was an online tool created, serving to collect proposal from EU citizens.\\ ​
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 Mikuláš would like to propose it here: https://​cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/​pad/#/​2/​pad/​edit/​LlfqHlWisbBkqjV0T4a7O6qV/​\\ ​ Mikuláš would like to propose it here: https://​cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/​pad/#/​2/​pad/​edit/​LlfqHlWisbBkqjV0T4a7O6qV/​\\ ​
  
-Desertold ​is asking if in the meantime people are remembering to vote on the budget.\\ ​+Desertrold ​is asking if in the meantime people are remembering to vote on the budget.\\ ​
 Katla would like to follow the current topic and postpone vote on budget later.\\ ​ Katla would like to follow the current topic and postpone vote on budget later.\\ ​
  
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 So Katla is asking now Bastian if the midterm budget is just a document or we need to vote it.\\  So Katla is asking now Bastian if the midterm budget is just a document or we need to vote it.\\ 
-The chair added that she "​doesn'​t know what is right" ​and doesn'​t "​fucking matter"​ (direct quote) ​\\  +The chair added that she "​doesn'​t know what is right" \\  
-Alessandro is poiting ​out that last CM we did approve the budget for 2021 (https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=7th_council_meeting_2020:​minutes_day1)\\ ​+Alessandro is pointing ​out that last CM we did approve the budget for 2021 (https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=7th_council_meeting_2020:​minutes_day1)\\ ​
  
 Motion:​\\ ​ Motion:​\\ ​
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 Meeting reopened at 14:32, chaired by Katla.\\ ​ Meeting reopened at 14:32, chaired by Katla.\\ ​
-Matti would like to propose an amendement\\ +Matti would like to propose an amendment\\ 
  
 "That the final vote on the PIRATE PRIORITIES FOR THE CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF EUROPE is tabled and voted on at a later point"​\\ ​ "That the final vote on the PIRATE PRIORITIES FOR THE CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF EUROPE is tabled and voted on at a later point"​\\ ​
  
 About voting on the document, we can agree on having a draft on vote here.\\ ​ About voting on the document, we can agree on having a draft on vote here.\\ ​
-Sven is asking maybe to move the topic on a transnational list instead of a consituency. PP-LU is in favour of qualifing ​majority.\\ ​+Sven is asking maybe to move the topic on a transnational list instead of a constituency. PP-LU is in favour of qualifying ​majority.\\ ​
 Matti doesn'​t believe they have mandate to do so on behalf of PPSE.\\ ​ Matti doesn'​t believe they have mandate to do so on behalf of PPSE.\\ ​
  
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 It's not necessary now to vote on the text today as it is. PPSE and all other members that would like to amend the final draft to be voted.\\ It's not necessary now to vote on the text today as it is. PPSE and all other members that would like to amend the final draft to be voted.\\
  
-PeterTheOne (ppAT) proposes that this will be not left only to the MEP´s ... there should be also consedered ​a feedback from the council.\\ ​+PeterTheOne (ppAT) proposes that this will be not left only to the MEP´s ... there should be also considered ​a feedback from the council.\\ ​
 The Council can give it to the board.\\ ​ The Council can give it to the board.\\ ​
-Mab is considering that only allowed delegates can propose ​amendements.\\ +Mab is considering that only allowed delegates can propose ​amendments.\\ 
  
 Motion\\ ​ Motion\\ ​
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 Alessandro reports on financial regulation. \\  Alessandro reports on financial regulation. \\ 
-First: ​Thx for participation ​und work done\\ ​+First: ​thanks everyone ​for participation ​and all work done\\ ​
 Statutes are very clear how the members are obligated to contribute\\ ​ Statutes are very clear how the members are obligated to contribute\\ ​
-Alessandro points out that the budget ​dicussion ​is a political choice\\ ​+Alessandro points out that the budget ​discussion ​is a political choice\\ ​
 Alessandro also is insisting that donation and budget are two different things ​ \\  Alessandro also is insisting that donation and budget are two different things ​ \\ 
-actual situation says (Statutes) that if member not paying their membership fees they have no right to vote. So Alessandro ​reduced with the member treasures the amount ​to make it more easier ​no be in the voting list. None the less Alessandro proposes to change this procedure to be more inclusive\\ ​+actual situation says (Statutes) that if member not paying their membership fees they have no right to vote. 
 +So Alessandro ​proposed as former Treasurer ​to reduce fees and 6th Council Meeting approved so it should be easier ​to be included ​in the voting list. None the lessAlessandro proposes to change this procedure to be more inclusive\\ ​
 PP-FR is against accepting donation from companies\\ ​ PP-FR is against accepting donation from companies\\ ​
-more Info can be found here: https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/​PPEU-Finance-Regulation\\ +More info can be found here: https://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?​id=finance_regulation_act\\ 
  
 Bastian (PP-DE) points out: was is written down in the pad mainly already is worded in the statutes. \\  Bastian (PP-DE) points out: was is written down in the pad mainly already is worded in the statutes. \\ 
 Also: Budget is a "​wish"​ - Financial regulation is something fix.\\ ​ Also: Budget is a "​wish"​ - Financial regulation is something fix.\\ ​
 Regarding the donation issue: we could fix the donation issue but as we are publishing anyway all donations he do not know if this necessary.\\ ​ Regarding the donation issue: we could fix the donation issue but as we are publishing anyway all donations he do not know if this necessary.\\ ​
-Regarding Long Term Budget: This makes sence if we are a big party... but at the moment ?\\ +Regarding Long Term Budget: This makes sense if we were a big party... but at the moment?​\\ ​
  
-Mikulas ​(MEP) points out: "The treasurer should be responsible to:" (line 26) .... a personally ​responsability ​for the treasure is not wishfull.\\ +Mikuláš ​(MEP) points out: "The treasurer should be responsible to:" (line 26) .... a personally ​responsibility ​for the treasure is not wishful.\\ 
  
 Exile proposes: The council approves this draft text to be foundation for further work .. would this be an agreement ?\\  Exile proposes: The council approves this draft text to be foundation for further work .. would this be an agreement ?\\ 
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 There will be vote on the text on the next council probably in November, no vote today. The text presented today should be foundation for the further work.\\ ​ There will be vote on the text on the next council probably in November, no vote today. The text presented today should be foundation for the further work.\\ ​
  
-Bastian has a procedural motion: to adopt immediatly ​section 3.\\ +Bastian has a procedural motion: to adopt immediately ​section 3.\\ 
 Mab reminds the CM that only PPEU official delegates can issue procedural motion.\\ ​ Mab reminds the CM that only PPEU official delegates can issue procedural motion.\\ ​
 Katla is wondering if anyone is taking care of this procedural motion.\\ ​ Katla is wondering if anyone is taking care of this procedural motion.\\ ​
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 **6. PPI relations**\\ ​ **6. PPI relations**\\ ​
 +
 Keith (Pirates Israel - and PPI Board member) is now speaking. Political restrictions are globally quiet often, Europa is in a rather comfortable situation but this political freedom is important, do not forget about it.\\  Keith (Pirates Israel - and PPI Board member) is now speaking. Political restrictions are globally quiet often, Europa is in a rather comfortable situation but this political freedom is important, do not forget about it.\\ 
 It's really important to stand united and decentralised our organisation globally. First layer solution is PPI as now, second level solution could be a real global organisation of individuals.\\ ​ It's really important to stand united and decentralised our organisation globally. First layer solution is PPI as now, second level solution could be a real global organisation of individuals.\\ ​
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 Desertrold is remembering that only Countries can be Ordinary member, but PPEU can be Observer Member.\\ ​ Desertrold is remembering that only Countries can be Ordinary member, but PPEU can be Observer Member.\\ ​
  
-Gregory (PPI Vice Chair & PP-DE) is clearifying ​... we are talking only about observer membership in PPI (and adds PPI is already observer member in PP-EU).\\  +Gregory (PPI Vice Chair & PP-DE) is clarifying ​... we are talking only about observer membership in PPI (and adds PPI is already observer member in PP-EU).\\  
-It would be easier in many ways if PPEU would be also a member of PPI, so if it has to table by PPEU member or the board is not confident ​enouth, PPDE would table a motion to PPEU apply as Observer Member.\\ ​+It would be easier in many ways if PPEU would be also a member of PPI, so if it has to table by PPEU member or the board is not confident ​enough, PPDE would table a motion to PPEU apply as Observer Member.\\ ​
 Deadline for application is tonight (for next PPI GA)\\  Deadline for application is tonight (for next PPI GA)\\ 
 Mikuláš (PP-CZ) is supporting that there will be a motion today about this.\\ ​ Mikuláš (PP-CZ) is supporting that there will be a motion today about this.\\ ​
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 Desertrold is tabling a motion.\\ ​ Desertrold is tabling a motion.\\ ​
-Peter is considering that if PPEU becomes member of PPI, obbligations ​are for PPEU, not for single members.\\ ​+Peter is considering that if PPEU becomes member of PPI, obligations ​are for PPEU, not for single members.\\ ​
  
 Desertrold writes down that\\ ​ Desertrold writes down that\\ ​
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 **15 mins break now until 16:20 CEST**\\ ​ **15 mins break now until 16:20 CEST**\\ ​
  
-Mikuláš presents Greens/EFA Relationship with us in the European ​Parlament.\\ +Mikuláš presents Greens/EFA Relationship with us in the European ​Parliament.\\ 
 Statues of EFA/Greens are saying.. members (and creators) are Greens and European Free Alliance.\\ ​ Statues of EFA/Greens are saying.. members (and creators) are Greens and European Free Alliance.\\ ​
 Pirates nether formed part as party ... pirates are only included on individual basis.\\ ​ Pirates nether formed part as party ... pirates are only included on individual basis.\\ ​
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 Mikuláš: We should register our logo to be officially ours - in a legal way.\\ ​ Mikuláš: We should register our logo to be officially ours - in a legal way.\\ ​
 Bastian: Offer for 190 Euros.... he had a look to this already... the proposal from the media group would be the next step... afterwords European Pirates have to agree \\  Bastian: Offer for 190 Euros.... he had a look to this already... the proposal from the media group would be the next step... afterwords European Pirates have to agree \\ 
-Desertrold: Question.... we are againts ​copyright and now we are closing our own logo with this kind of tools ?\\ +Desertrold: Question.... we are against ​copyright and now we are closing our own logo with this kind of tools ?\\ 
 Mikuláš: would rather prefer to speak about Trademark ... and not about copyright legislation\\ ​ Mikuláš: would rather prefer to speak about Trademark ... and not about copyright legislation\\ ​
 Bastian is insisting: Registering is necessary... we need to defend us from Abuse\\ ​ Bastian is insisting: Registering is necessary... we need to defend us from Abuse\\ ​
 Mikuláš asking: we agreed a budget this morning... there is included the registration cost .... so, why we are talking about a mandate to the media group for elaborating a proposal ​ ? (Exile done so) \\  Mikuláš asking: we agreed a budget this morning... there is included the registration cost .... so, why we are talking about a mandate to the media group for elaborating a proposal ​ ? (Exile done so) \\ 
 Michael is asking about the registration scope \\  Michael is asking about the registration scope \\ 
-Mikuláš doesn''t know technical details: it has to be issue to the lawyer\\ ​+Mikuláš doesn'​t know technical details: it has to be issue to the lawyer\\ ​
 Matti is a bit confused: which logo will be registered? And for what exact reason?​\\ ​ Matti is a bit confused: which logo will be registered? And for what exact reason?​\\ ​
 Mikuláš is telling that this is the logo https://​european-pirateparty.eu/​wp-content/​uploads/​2017/​10/​cropped-Logo_European_Pirate_Party.svg_-2.png\\ ​ Mikuláš is telling that this is the logo https://​european-pirateparty.eu/​wp-content/​uploads/​2017/​10/​cropped-Logo_European_Pirate_Party.svg_-2.png\\ ​
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 Shortly after its election, the CoCC opened its Wiki page, reachable at the following address:​\\ ​ Shortly after its election, the CoCC opened its Wiki page, reachable at the following address:​\\ ​
 https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=ppeu:​cocc2020\\ ​ https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=ppeu:​cocc2020\\ ​
-The CoCC began to work on its Rules of Procedure to provide a frame and some guidelines for people who wanted to submit a case. At the same time, we realized ​that a general investigation on the extent of harassment inside the PPEU community was required. As soon as the Rules of Procedure were finalized, we launched the investigation on March, 7th.\\ ​+The CoCC began to work on its Rules of Procedure to provide a frame and some guidelines for people who wanted to submit a case. At the same time, we realised ​that a general investigation on the extent of harassment inside the PPEU community was required. As soon as the Rules of Procedure were finalised, we launched the investigation on March, 7th.\\ ​
 The results were approved and published on the wiki on May, 31st:​\\ ​ The results were approved and published on the wiki on May, 31st:​\\ ​
  ​https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=ppeu:​cocc2020:​reports:​20210531\\ ​  ​https://​wiki.ppeu.net/​doku.php?​id=ppeu:​cocc2020:​reports:​20210531\\ ​
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