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As Mikulas wants to take part in the discussion the chair is handed over to Florie\\ | As Mikulas wants to take part in the discussion the chair is handed over to Florie\\ | ||
- | Mikulas: I fully reponsible | + | Mikulas: I fully responsible |
- | Alessandro : You would like to provide no vote on the budget, and the next board will seetle | + | Alessandro : You would like to provide no vote on the budget, and the next board will settle |
- | Mikulas : No we can discuss a budget for 2023, but I don't think we should approve a discharge for 2022. If the council doesn' | + | Mikulas : No we can discuss a budget for 2023, but I don't think we should approve a discharge for 2022. If the council doesn' |
**8.1 Report 2022 budget discharge** | **8.1 Report 2022 budget discharge** | ||
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M: As you know the membership fees is 50€ per vote for a country, the number of vote from your elected result. I open the discussion.\\ | M: As you know the membership fees is 50€ per vote for a country, the number of vote from your elected result. I open the discussion.\\ | ||
Florian: We are in trouble to collect fees. I propose to suspend the fee recollection and erase the old fees debt, until we discharge the board.\\ | Florian: We are in trouble to collect fees. I propose to suspend the fee recollection and erase the old fees debt, until we discharge the board.\\ | ||
- | Alessandro: The " | + | Alessandro: The " |
Mikulas: We need to settle this quickly in the next two months, because we have the CEEP to approve in the next council meeting | Mikulas: We need to settle this quickly in the next two months, because we have the CEEP to approve in the next council meeting | ||
Florian: Fees are been to problem in the past , my proposal is to waving all this fees, to have a clean situation. The second one was about to suspend the fees, but with the discussion of Alessandro, it may be.\\ | Florian: Fees are been to problem in the past , my proposal is to waving all this fees, to have a clean situation. The second one was about to suspend the fees, but with the discussion of Alessandro, it may be.\\ | ||
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Carole: We can put the fees to one symbolic 1€ to make a difference between paid and not paid and reduce the fees to 1€ so it fits the statues.\\ | Carole: We can put the fees to one symbolic 1€ to make a difference between paid and not paid and reduce the fees to 1€ so it fits the statues.\\ | ||
Bastian: in my point of view it's illegal.\\ | Bastian: in my point of view it's illegal.\\ | ||
- | Mab (on behalf on Pirati, Italy): Firstly, not an expert on Luxemburg | + | Mab (on behalf on Pirati, Italy): Firstly, not an expert on Luxembuorg |
Mark: I would like to propose a vote on waiving fees for present members who did not pay their fees.\\ | Mark: I would like to propose a vote on waiving fees for present members who did not pay their fees.\\ | ||
Danny (NL): supporting this motion.\\ | Danny (NL): supporting this motion.\\ | ||
Jerry (LU): we are free to waive the fees accordingly to Luxembourgish laws because we are the highest power but if we waive it to everyone, we will have problem to approve a quorum. So we can waive them from tomorrow, not from today.\\ | Jerry (LU): we are free to waive the fees accordingly to Luxembourgish laws because we are the highest power but if we waive it to everyone, we will have problem to approve a quorum. So we can waive them from tomorrow, not from today.\\ | ||
- | Marco (Pirati.io): | + | Marco (Pirati.io): |
Florian (PPFR): | Florian (PPFR): | ||
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Florian: The PPEU bank account is well, we can cover 1 year with low fees.\\ | Florian: The PPEU bank account is well, we can cover 1 year with low fees.\\ | ||
Mikulas: for clarification, | Mikulas: for clarification, | ||
- | Gregory: reciting the statues regarding the membership fees (Article 13-3), statutes allow individual membership fees, raising concerns that 1€ creates more trouble due to banking fees, proposal that treasureres | + | Gregory: reciting the statues regarding the membership fees (Article 13-3), statutes allow individual membership fees, raising concerns that 1€ creates more trouble due to banking fees, proposal that treasures |
Mikulas: clarifying that the fees are multiplied according to the number of votes.\\ | Mikulas: clarifying that the fees are multiplied according to the number of votes.\\ | ||
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Gregory: question to the treasurer, how much money would we waive, was the money already spent in previous budgets, so how do we deal with that?\\ | Gregory: question to the treasurer, how much money would we waive, was the money already spent in previous budgets, so how do we deal with that?\\ | ||
- | Bastian: no exactly sure, but a quick calculation 4850€, only 750€ paid, therefore 3100€ would be waived (more or less). it's better to negotionate | + | Bastian: no exactly sure, but a quick calculation 4850€, only 750€ paid, therefore 3100€ would be waived (more or less). it's better to negotiate |
Cedric: the losses are currently accepted, the money is not planned to be planned.\\ | Cedric: the losses are currently accepted, the money is not planned to be planned.\\ | ||
Florian: how likely are we to collect this debt? if unlikely.\\ | Florian: how likely are we to collect this debt? if unlikely.\\ | ||
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Mike: PPI doesn' | Mike: PPI doesn' | ||
Chair: change already done for observer members, simply not fully members.\\ | Chair: change already done for observer members, simply not fully members.\\ | ||
- | Luxemburg: editorial remark in Paragraph 2j to there' | + | Luxembourg: editorial remark in Paragraph 2j to there' |
PP-NL: explanation for our next vote is that it's a stupid previous decision to decide on rules and no facts to be able to do what we want.\\ | PP-NL: explanation for our next vote is that it's a stupid previous decision to decide on rules and no facts to be able to do what we want.\\ | ||
chair: explaining, that this does not mean automatic admission, the council will still decide.\\ | chair: explaining, that this does not mean automatic admission, the council will still decide.\\ | ||
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d) to participate in the political discussion and decisions of the Association, | d) to participate in the political discussion and decisions of the Association, | ||
e) to stay politically active and participate in elections, | e) to stay politically active and participate in elections, | ||
- | f) to send their yearly accounts and election results to the Association or a link to them, if they are published | + | f) to send their yearly accounts and election results to the Association or a link to them, if they are published |
g) to conduct their financial organisation in a transparent and accountable manner,\\ | g) to conduct their financial organisation in a transparent and accountable manner,\\ | ||
h) to pay their designated fee as Ordinary Members in a timely manner and\\ | h) to pay their designated fee as Ordinary Members in a timely manner and\\ | ||
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No objections, the order of the agenda is changed.\\ | No objections, the order of the agenda is changed.\\ | ||
- | As Mikulas is running for the board, | + | As Mikulas is running for the board, |
Florie: We start for the chair nominations. Speaking time is set to 2 minutes per every candidate. Only one nomination from PP-CZ, PP-DE and PP-FR : Mikulas Peksa.\\ | Florie: We start for the chair nominations. Speaking time is set to 2 minutes per every candidate. Only one nomination from PP-CZ, PP-DE and PP-FR : Mikulas Peksa.\\ | ||
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Chair: next up bi--chairs, several nominations\\ | Chair: next up bi--chairs, several nominations\\ | ||
- | Alessandro, declined, because I think I'll more usefull | + | Alessandro, declined, because I think I'll more useful for the organisation in a different role\\ |
Anne, thankfully declining the nomination\\ | Anne, thankfully declining the nomination\\ | ||
Cedric, accepting the nomination, explaining his current role in the French pirate party\\ | Cedric, accepting the nomination, explaining his current role in the French pirate party\\ | ||
Florie, thankfully declining, because I'm also the PPI chair, can't be both\\ | Florie, thankfully declining, because I'm also the PPI chair, can't be both\\ | ||
Ian declined for the vice-chair, accept for the board,\\ | Ian declined for the vice-chair, accept for the board,\\ | ||
- | Veronika, accepted, environmental NGO, I want the PPEU to be successfull | + | Veronika, accepted, environmental NGO, I want the PPEU to be successful |
Petr, declined, vice-chair and board\\ | Petr, declined, vice-chair and board\\ | ||
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Florian, declined, we have already worked together and will continue to do so, aiming to achieve better transparency and resolving past issues, waving the past fees today was already.\\ | Florian, declined, we have already worked together and will continue to do so, aiming to achieve better transparency and resolving past issues, waving the past fees today was already.\\ | ||
- | Mark : what will you do for the rised problem this morning.\\ | + | Mark : what will you do for the raised |
Alessandro, we will bring you the budget and so on as quickly as possible. We also need to settle things about bank access.\\ | Alessandro, we will bring you the budget and so on as quickly as possible. We also need to settle things about bank access.\\ | ||
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Elisabet, I was a ??? , accepted\\ | Elisabet, I was a ??? , accepted\\ | ||
- | Anne, declined, thanks again, wouldn' | + | Anne, declined, thanks again, wouldn' |
- | Cedric, | + | Cedric, |
Florian, accepted, I want to cooperate with Alessandro, we think that we need to drive through the next elections, and imho, I think we need to change the statutes to make the members more involved\\ | Florian, accepted, I want to cooperate with Alessandro, we think that we need to drive through the next elections, and imho, I think we need to change the statutes to make the members more involved\\ | ||
Jerome, declined, \\ | Jerome, declined, \\ | ||
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Petr: 17\\ | Petr: 17\\ | ||
- | Saira:21\\ | + | Saira: 21\\ |
Marco: 9\\ | Marco: 9\\ | ||
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Martin, accepted,\\ | Martin, accepted,\\ | ||
- | Nicolas, accepted, I'm one the treasurer of the PP-FR, my job is accountabilty\\ | + | Nicolas, accepted, I'm one the treasurer of the PP-FR, my job is accountability\\ |
Marcel points out that there is no limit for lay auditor' | Marcel points out that there is no limit for lay auditor' | ||
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**CEEP** | **CEEP** | ||
- | Mikulas: explaining the proceedings of yesterday' | + | Mikulas: explaining the proceedings of yesterday' |
Post Election strategy\\ | Post Election strategy\\ | ||
- | Mikulas: Coalition, not possible ones. We need to have a document specifying the rule. Agreement on which european | + | Mikulas: Coalition, not possible ones. We need to have a document specifying the rule. Agreement on which European |
Dan: my question about that is how not to have an old program when the elections begin ?\\ | Dan: my question about that is how not to have an old program when the elections begin ?\\ | ||
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**Closing the meeting** | **Closing the meeting** | ||
- | Florian: thank you for coming, inviting you to share an apero\\ | + | Florian: thank you for coming, inviting you to share a drink\\ |
Florie : few words from my part, as new PPI chair I'd like to visit every pirate party in their country, so I invite everybody for talks about how to make that happen and on the future of our movement, also I will be happy to cooperate with Mikulas and the PPEU | Florie : few words from my part, as new PPI chair I'd like to visit every pirate party in their country, so I invite everybody for talks about how to make that happen and on the future of our movement, also I will be happy to cooperate with Mikulas and the PPEU | ||
Marcel: thank you everyone for coming and yesterdays constructive session.\\ | Marcel: thank you everyone for coming and yesterdays constructive session.\\ |
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