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12th_council_meeting_2023:minutes [2023/04/17 07:32] – Update bastian12th_council_meeting_2023:minutes [2023/06/04 15:21] (current) – alessandro
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 Meeting opened at 10:15 by PPEU \\ Meeting opened at 10:15 by PPEU \\
  
-**1 Chair**+**1 Chair**\\
 Mikulas, Anne Herpertz (PPDE), Florie (PPDFR)\\ Mikulas, Anne Herpertz (PPDE), Florie (PPDFR)\\
 no objections\\ no objections\\
  
-**2 Minutetakers**+**2 Minutetakers**\\
 Alessandro, Cedric, Lutz\\ Alessandro, Cedric, Lutz\\
 no objections\\ no objections\\
  
-**3 Check of attendance**+**3 Check of attendance**\\
 see: https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/eRczW6KalqQeiDTdBr3KjnPCYSnYmJoaAUsS1zU4pao/\\ see: https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/eRczW6KalqQeiDTdBr3KjnPCYSnYmJoaAUsS1zU4pao/\\
  
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 MEPs : present, Samuel Vančo no need to pay (2 votes) yes\\ MEPs : present, Samuel Vančo no need to pay (2 votes) yes\\
  
-**7 PIrate Application **+**7 Pirati.io Application **
 Marco: We are already an observer members. Due to recent statutes changes, we are now moving and fully able to participate to elections as a real party. That's why we would like to contribute to the European Pirate Party and applying for a full membership. Marco: We are already an observer members. Due to recent statutes changes, we are now moving and fully able to participate to elections as a real party. That's why we would like to contribute to the European Pirate Party and applying for a full membership.
 Thank you.\\ Thank you.\\
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 **8 Accounts ** **8 Accounts **
  
-Alessandro : It's a board duty to propose two things the 2022 financial reports and the 2023 budget proposal. If the budget is not approuved, we won't be able to spend money during the year. At the last board meeting we aknowledge the fact that we can't provide none of them. We prefer to put the situation aboce the council meeting and start the discussion. The fact is that our treasurer has no possibility to make bank movements. \\+Alessandro: It's a board duty to propose two things the 2022 financial reports and the 2023 budget proposal. If the budget is not approved, we won't be able to spend money during the year. At the last board meeting we acknowledge the fact that we can't provide none of them. We prefer to put the situation before the council meeting and start the discussion. The fact is that our treasurer has no possibility to make bank movements. \\
 We managed to collected fees, more a bit today.\\ We managed to collected fees, more a bit today.\\
-We need to unblock the situaton, because for the moment we have no possibilty to provide you a budget. We still can collect fees but it's will be impossible to spend the money.\\+We need to unblock the situation, because for the moment we have no possibility to provide you a budget. We still can collect fees but it's will be impossible to spend the money.\\
 In my point of view, it's caused of by a lack of discussion between the pirate parties and the board. No blames, but we need to change that too.\\ In my point of view, it's caused of by a lack of discussion between the pirate parties and the board. No blames, but we need to change that too.\\
  
-Bastian: I did my duty, it's not my fault. At last, it was very difficult for me to handle the situation mainly caused by my collegues.\\+Bastian: I did my duty, it's not my fault. At last, it was very difficult for me to handle the situation mainly caused by my colleagues.\\
  
 Bastian's report as a treasurer: https://owncloud.ag-technik.de/s/KKR3mDQxYxbqZbD\\ Bastian's report as a treasurer: https://owncloud.ag-technik.de/s/KKR3mDQxYxbqZbD\\
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 As Mikulas wants to take part in the discussion the chair is handed over to Florie\\ As Mikulas wants to take part in the discussion the chair is handed over to Florie\\
  
-Mikulas: I fully reponsible for the difficulties. The access to our bank account is a bit tricky. This is, imho, the main problem, because the person need to go to Prague. We need to provide more information, invoice to council meeting. Therefore I don't think we should approve a discharge for 2022.\\+Mikulas: I fully responsible for the difficulties. The access to our bank account is a bit tricky. This is, imho, the main problem, because the person need to go to Prague. We need to provide more information, invoice to council meeting. Therefore I don't think we should approve a discharge for 2022.\\
  
-Alessandro : You would like to provide no vote on the budget, and the next board will seetle the situation?\\+Alessandro : You would like to provide no vote on the budget, and the next board will settle the situation?\\
  
-Mikulas : No we can discuss a budget for 2023, but I don't think we should approve a discharge for 2022. If the council doesn't want to vote the discharge, it's fully understable.\\+Mikulas : No we can discuss a budget for 2023, but I don't think we should approve a discharge for 2022. If the council doesn't want to vote the discharge, it's fully understandable.\\
  
 **8.1 Report 2022 budget discharge** **8.1 Report 2022 budget discharge**
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 M: As you know the membership fees is 50€ per vote for a country, the number of vote from your elected result. I open the discussion.\\ M: As you know the membership fees is 50€ per vote for a country, the number of vote from your elected result. I open the discussion.\\
 Florian: We are in trouble to collect fees. I propose to suspend the fee recollection and erase the old fees debt, until we discharge the board.\\ Florian: We are in trouble to collect fees. I propose to suspend the fee recollection and erase the old fees debt, until we discharge the board.\\
-Alessandro: The "problem" is that the vote "power" is link to those fees. The possiility may be to drop the fee to zero for this year.\\+Alessandro: The "problem" is that the vote "power" is link to those fees. The possibility may be to drop the fee to zero for this year.\\
 Mikulas: We need to settle this quickly in the next two months, because we have the CEEP to approve in the next council meeting Mikulas: We need to settle this quickly in the next two months, because we have the CEEP to approve in the next council meeting
 Florian: Fees are been to problem in the past , my proposal is to waving all this fees, to have a clean situation. The second one was about to suspend the fees, but with the discussion of Alessandro, it may be.\\ Florian: Fees are been to problem in the past , my proposal is to waving all this fees, to have a clean situation. The second one was about to suspend the fees, but with the discussion of Alessandro, it may be.\\
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 Carole: We can put the fees to one symbolic 1€ to make a difference between paid and not paid and reduce the fees to 1€ so it fits the statues.\\ Carole: We can put the fees to one symbolic 1€ to make a difference between paid and not paid and reduce the fees to 1€ so it fits the statues.\\
 Bastian: in my point of view it's illegal.\\ Bastian: in my point of view it's illegal.\\
-Mab (on behalf on Pirati, Italy): Firstly, not an expert on Luxemburg law, but in my opinion we can do with membership fees as we please. However the change also has implications on the quorums that we need for statute changes on other issues and we need to be aware of that.\\+Mab (on behalf on Pirati, Italy): Firstly, not an expert on Luxembourgish law, but in my opinion we can do with membership fees as we please. However the change also has implications on the quorums that we need for statute changes on other issues and we need to be aware of that.\\
 Mark: I would like to propose a vote on waiving fees for present members who did not pay their fees.\\ Mark: I would like to propose a vote on waiving fees for present members who did not pay their fees.\\
 Danny (NL): supporting this motion.\\ Danny (NL): supporting this motion.\\
 Jerry (LU): we are free to waive the fees accordingly to Luxembourgish laws because we are the highest power but if we waive it to everyone, we will have problem to approve a quorum. So we can waive them from tomorrow, not from today.\\ Jerry (LU): we are free to waive the fees accordingly to Luxembourgish laws because we are the highest power but if we waive it to everyone, we will have problem to approve a quorum. So we can waive them from tomorrow, not from today.\\
-Marco (Pirati.io):  I have an alternative proposal: to pay a symbolic euro to proove that they are interested.\\+Marco (Pirati.io):  I have an alternative proposal: to pay a symbolic euro to prove that they are interested.\\
  
 Florian (PPFR):\\    Florian (PPFR):\\   
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 Florian: The PPEU bank account is well, we can cover 1 year with low fees.\\ Florian: The PPEU bank account is well, we can cover 1 year with low fees.\\
 Mikulas: for clarification, abstention does not influence the vote, you have to vote against. Also clarifying, that lowering the fees is permanent from the point onwards, so if the fees should be back to normal again in 2024 it is necessary to have an additional motion.\\ Mikulas: for clarification, abstention does not influence the vote, you have to vote against. Also clarifying, that lowering the fees is permanent from the point onwards, so if the fees should be back to normal again in 2024 it is necessary to have an additional motion.\\
-Gregory: reciting the statues regarding the membership fees (Article 13-3), statutes allow individual membership fees, raising concerns that 1€ creates more trouble due to banking fees, proposal that treasureres come up with a plan.\\+Gregory: reciting the statues regarding the membership fees (Article 13-3), statutes allow individual membership fees, raising concerns that 1€ creates more trouble due to banking fees, proposal that treasures come up with a plan.\\
 Mikulas: clarifying that the fees are multiplied according to the number of votes.\\ Mikulas: clarifying that the fees are multiplied according to the number of votes.\\
  
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 Alessandro: what's the purpose of this proposal, if we don't touch the 2022 fee? Also we should know how much money we are waiving.  Alessandro: what's the purpose of this proposal, if we don't touch the 2022 fee? Also we should know how much money we are waiving. 
 Florian: clarifying the motives of this motion, bury the source of conflict: beca\\ Florian: clarifying the motives of this motion, bury the source of conflict: beca\\
-Chair: proposing to ammend the motion with the according paragraph from the statutes\\+Chair: proposing to amend the motion with the according paragraph from the statutes\\
  
 Motion: According to Article 14 paragraph 4 subparagraph K, the council decides to wave all unpaid fees from 2021 and previous years\\ Motion: According to Article 14 paragraph 4 subparagraph K, the council decides to wave all unpaid fees from 2021 and previous years\\
  
 Gregory: question to the treasurer, how much money would we waive, was the money already spent in previous budgets, so how do we deal with that?\\ Gregory: question to the treasurer, how much money would we waive, was the money already spent in previous budgets, so how do we deal with that?\\
-Bastian: no exactly sure, but a quick calculation 4850€, only 750€ paid, therefore 3100€ would be waived (more or less). it's better to negotionate to every single party in order to have a customised proposal.\\+Bastian: no exactly sure, but a quick calculation 4850€, only 750€ paid, therefore 3100€ would be waived (more or less). it's better to negotiate to every single party in order to have a customised proposal.\\
 Cedric: the losses are currently accepted, the money is not planned to be planned.\\ Cedric: the losses are currently accepted, the money is not planned to be planned.\\
 Florian: how likely are we to collect this debt? if unlikely.\\ Florian: how likely are we to collect this debt? if unlikely.\\
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 Mike: PPI doesn't have this requirements, works fine, I don't see the problem for PPEU to do so.\\ Mike: PPI doesn't have this requirements, works fine, I don't see the problem for PPEU to do so.\\
 Chair: change already done for observer members, simply not fully members.\\ Chair: change already done for observer members, simply not fully members.\\
-Luxemburg: editorial remark in Paragraph 2j to there's a double word.\\+Luxembourg: editorial remark in Paragraph 2j to there's a double word.\\
 PP-NL: explanation for our next vote is that it's a stupid previous decision to decide on rules and no facts to be able to do what we want.\\ PP-NL: explanation for our next vote is that it's a stupid previous decision to decide on rules and no facts to be able to do what we want.\\
 chair: explaining, that this does not mean automatic admission, the council will still decide.\\ chair: explaining, that this does not mean automatic admission, the council will still decide.\\
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 d) to participate in the political discussion and decisions of the Association,\\ d) to participate in the political discussion and decisions of the Association,\\
 e) to stay politically active and participate in elections,\\ e) to stay politically active and participate in elections,\\
-f) to send their yearly accounts and election results to the Association or a link to them, if they are published accessable for everyone online,\\+f) to send their yearly accounts and election results to the Association or a link to them, if they are published accessible for everyone online,\\
 g) to conduct their financial organisation in a transparent and accountable manner,\\ g) to conduct their financial organisation in a transparent and accountable manner,\\
 h) to pay their designated fee as Ordinary Members in a timely manner and\\ h) to pay their designated fee as Ordinary Members in a timely manner and\\
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 No objections, the order of the agenda is changed.\\ No objections, the order of the agenda is changed.\\
  
-As Mikulas is running for the board, Flori is taking over the chair.\\+As Mikulas is running for the board, Florie is taking over the chair.\\
  
 Florie: We start for the chair nominations. Speaking time is set to 2 minutes per every candidate. Only one nomination from PP-CZ, PP-DE and PP-FR : Mikulas Peksa.\\ Florie: We start for the chair nominations. Speaking time is set to 2 minutes per every candidate. Only one nomination from PP-CZ, PP-DE and PP-FR : Mikulas Peksa.\\
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 Chair: next up bi--chairs, several nominations\\ Chair: next up bi--chairs, several nominations\\
  
-Alessandro, declined, because I think I'll more usefull \\+Alessandro, declined, because I think I'll more useful for the organisation in a different role\\
 Anne, thankfully declining the nomination\\ Anne, thankfully declining the nomination\\
 Cedric, accepting the nomination, explaining his current role in the French pirate party\\ Cedric, accepting the nomination, explaining his current role in the French pirate party\\
 Florie, thankfully declining, because I'm also the PPI chair, can't be both\\ Florie, thankfully declining, because I'm also the PPI chair, can't be both\\
 Ian declined for the vice-chair, accept for the board,\\ Ian declined for the vice-chair, accept for the board,\\
-Veronika, accepted, environmental NGO, I want the PPEU to be successfull during the european election\\+Veronika, accepted, environmental NGO, I want the PPEU to be successful during the European election\\
 Petr, declined, vice-chair and board\\ Petr, declined, vice-chair and board\\
  
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 Florian, declined, we have already worked together and will continue to do so, aiming to achieve better transparency and resolving past issues, waving the past fees today was already.\\ Florian, declined, we have already worked together and will continue to do so, aiming to achieve better transparency and resolving past issues, waving the past fees today was already.\\
  
-Mark : what will you do for the rised problem this morning.\\+Mark : what will you do for the raised problem this morning.\\
 Alessandro, we will bring you the budget and so on as quickly as possible. We also need to settle things about bank access.\\ Alessandro, we will bring you the budget and so on as quickly as possible. We also need to settle things about bank access.\\
  
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 Elisabet, I was a ??? , accepted\\ Elisabet, I was a ??? , accepted\\
-Anne, declined, thanks again, wouldn't have the capacitites to do it the way i would want it to \\ +Anne, declined, thanks again, wouldn't have the capacities to do it the way i would want it to \\ 
-Cedric, acceptedd,\\+Cedric, accepted,\\
 Florian, accepted, I  want to cooperate with Alessandro, we think that we need to drive through the next elections, and imho, I think we need to change the statutes to make the members more involved\\ Florian, accepted, I  want to cooperate with Alessandro, we think that we need to drive through the next elections, and imho, I think we need to change the statutes to make the members more involved\\
 Jerome, declined, \\ Jerome, declined, \\
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 Petr: 17\\ Petr: 17\\
-Saira:21\\+Saira: 21\\
 Marco: 9\\ Marco: 9\\
  
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 Martin, accepted,\\ Martin, accepted,\\
-Nicolas, accepted, I'm one the treasurer of the PP-FR, my job is accountabilty\\+Nicolas, accepted, I'm one the treasurer of the PP-FR, my job is accountability\\
  
 Marcel points out that there is no limit for lay auditor's nominations\\ Marcel points out that there is no limit for lay auditor's nominations\\
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 **CEEP** **CEEP**
  
-Mikulas: explaining the proceedings of yesterday's work on the CEEP. Many chapters have been finalized, however due to a lack of time some haven't. Needs for improvements shall be announced on the Discourse platform asap. The board will evaluate and consolidate everything.\\+Mikulas: explaining the proceedings of yesterday's work on the CEEP. Many chapters have been finalised, however due to a lack of time some haven't. Needs for improvements shall be announced on the Discourse platform asap. The board will evaluate and consolidate everything.\\
  
  
 Post Election strategy\\ Post Election strategy\\
  
-Mikulas: Coalition, not possible ones. We need to have a document specifying the rule. Agreement on which european group to join. Internal agreement on how we want to behave.\\+Mikulas: Coalition, not possible ones. We need to have a document specifying the rule. Agreement on which European group to join. Internal agreement on how we want to behave.\\
 Dan: my question about that is how not to have an old program when the elections begin ?\\ Dan: my question about that is how not to have an old program when the elections begin ?\\
  
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 **Closing the meeting** **Closing the meeting**
  
-Florian: thank you for coming, inviting you to share an apero\\+Florian: thank you for coming, inviting you to share a drink\\
 Florie : few words from my part, as new PPI chair I'd like to visit every pirate party in their country, so I invite everybody for talks about how to make that happen and on the future of our movement, also I will be happy to cooperate with Mikulas and the PPEU Florie : few words from my part, as new PPI chair I'd like to visit every pirate party in their country, so I invite everybody for talks about how to make that happen and on the future of our movement, also I will be happy to cooperate with Mikulas and the PPEU
 Marcel: thank you everyone for coming and yesterdays constructive session.\\ Marcel: thank you everyone for coming and yesterdays constructive session.\\
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