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--- statutes:minutes:minutes20120619 [2012/06/20 07:21] – krishna
+++ statutes:minutes:minutes20120619 [2013/07/21 19:15] (current) – external edit 127.0.0.1
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-The working pad is https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-stt-protocol-20120619
 ===== Agenda =====
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 | 1.1 Party-Only model|https://eu.piratenpad.de/party-only-model |Steffen, Exception, Jack A, Stephen O | | |
 | 1.2 Hybrid Model | https://eu.piratenpad.de/hybrid-membership-model | Steffen, Justus, crackpille, Abri, Phi95Bou, Exception, Polnetz, Marin, Torben | | |
-| | http://projects.piratenpartei.ch/dmsf_files/1580?download= & https://eu.piratenpad.de/swiss-proposal | PP-CH| | |
+| | [[http://projects.piratenpartei.ch/dmsf_files/1580?download=|Download]] \\ [[https://eu.piratenpad.de/swiss-proposal|online]] | PP-CH| | |
 | 1.3. Individual membership (Permanent Assembly) | https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-individual-membership-model | Abri ((No 2 and No 3 might correspond (almost in German law regarding juridical bodies, isn't it) )),  robotica, dude, pakki | | |
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-| statutes topics| We will collect items in the list below that the later statutes may / should cover.| | |R |
+| statutes topics| We will collect items in the list below that the later statutes may / should cover.| | | R |
-|Topics |Moved the collected topics with Aarau topics to  https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-statutes-draft| krishna |  | I |
+|Topics |Moved the collected topics with Aarau topics to  https://eu.piratenpad.de/ppeu-statutes-draft| krishna |  |  |
 ===== Aarau / Measurement scenarios  =====
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 |Minutes|http://piratenpad.de/p/pp-eu_pk12|julia| | |
-|Personal report|http://andersch.be/node/8 (german) |anders | | |
+|Personal report|http://andersch.be/node/8 (german) | anders | | |
-|short report | | Julia | | I |
+|short report | | Julia | | |
-|Topics |PPEU either as association of individual parties + MEP, but without its own programme, or as actual party + MEP with own programme | julia | | I |
+|Topics |PPEU either as association of individual parties + MEP, but without its own programme, or as actual party + MEP with own programme | julia | |  |
-=== Discussion about AKS ===
+=== Discussion ===
 In Aarau it was proposed to establish an automatic kill switch (AKS) to self destruct when EU election regulations change, and "at all costs". That seemed excessive to non-participants.
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 | | Declaration of intent in the statutes to work towards individual membership and Pan-European elections. |  luna | | |
 | |actions for a scenario too far in the future with unknown circumstances should not be decided now | azrael | | |
+| |let "our children" decide then and there |krishna | | |
 | | rather have pirates unanimously undo the kill switch | julia | | |
 | | safety against too much bureaucracy/abuse | julia | | |
 | | what if the regulations are changed in a bad way (e.g. paneuro elections for already established parties - why kill our only chance by automation)? Shouldn't the reactions be decided then? | | | |
 | |have "them" follow us, not adjust to "them", \\ [remark: i.e. create GD not when the election system wants to, but we want to and are ready] | krishna | | |
-| | AKS is not the only way to solve the problem that it addresses. Not required at this stage. | | | R |
+| | AKS is not the only way to solve the problem that it addresses. Not necessarily required at this stage. | | | R |
 | Voting systems| greens have weighted voting system according to their strengths in countries / MEPs |M2Ys4U | | | |
 | |suggestion: square root of total votes for the pirate party in the country / factor \\ example: PP-DE get's 10% of 40 mio votes -> 4 mio votes -> 2.000 / factor \\  example2: PP-LU get's 10% of 400 k votes -> 40k votes ->  200 / factor| | Anders | |
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 | |How to decide the vote is dependent on the tasks of the organisation. If the organisation is only coordinating, the one-party-one-vote-model and any other model would be unproblematic. |Krishna | | |
 | |How to decide the vote is dependent of what to vote about. If the organisation is only coordinating, the one-party-one-vote-model and any other model would be unproblematic. For other decisions some sort of weighting may be required. |krishna | | |
-| |fair, equal system or incentives for election results? |mab | | |
+| |fair, equal system or incentives for election results? | mab | | |
 | Founding & seat| national law may influence restrictions on statutes| Jerry (?), Luna, Sven(?)| |T |
-| |find outsider lawyer for consulting | |m2ys4u | |
+| |find outsider lawyer for consulting | | m2ys4u | |
 | | process: first outline the statutes, then check for suitable countries and check details |krishna | | |
-| | the first and next step is to decide about goals / vision | | |R |
+| | the first and next step is to decide about goals / vision | | | R |
 | Live meetings|financial support for foreign parties? Discuss via ML |ACT | | T|
 | |Election and PPEU can be dealt with seprately. No need for hastiness. |mab | | |
 | |High media effect would be best for a just-in-time founding before the elections | | | |
-| | meetings every two months, not sooner| | |R |
+| | meetings every two months, not sooner| | | R |
-| |no info about Strassbourg dates | krishna| |I |
+| |no info about Strassbourg dates | krishna| | |
-| | skip the august meeting| | |R |
+| | skip the august meeting| | | R |
 | |Prague decl. approval postponed from last week's board meeting by the Swedish PP. After the Barcelona meeting there is no other board meeting before the national assembly of Swedish PP in November (only way would be to prepone the Sept. meeting. | mad | | |
 ===== Proposed draft statutes from Jack Allnutt =====
-* Proposal here: http://piratenpad.de/p/PPEU-Statutes-Allnutt
+* [[http://piratenpad.de/p/PPEU-Statutes-Allnutt|Steve Allnutt's working pad / proposal]]  \\
-* E-mail to mailing list: http://lists.pp-international.net/private/pp-eu/2012-June/001293.html
+* ML was notified: http://lists.pp-international.net/private/pp-eu/2012-June/001293.html
 ^ Topic ^ What ^ Who ^ When ^ Type ^
-| |individual participation missing |? | | |
+|  | structural input from Krishna useful | Jack  |  |  |
-| maybe do not artificially limit ourselves to conditions made by others (e.g. EU competences). If we do that it is difficult to create change. | krishna| | | |
+| | individual participation missing |? | | |
+| | maybe do not artificially limit ourselves to conditions made by others (e.g. EU competences). If we do that it is difficult to create change. | krishna| | |
+| | "good job", many bullets points useful, no major objections so far | | | |
+| |more than one statutes variant should be created to allow actual voting by the parties' bases|luna | | |
 ===== Miscellanea =====
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-Type: I=Information, T=Todo, R=Resolution\\
+Type: I=Information (default), T=Todo, R=Resolution\\
 Status: plank=not started / late, silver coin=progressing in time, golden eye patch patch=done